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Re: Fossjobs: A job board for Free and Open Source jobs

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Post by jamesnorden » Thu, Aug 28, 2025, 1:47 PM UTC

general1726 wrote: post #18

staticelf wrote: post #7

"Senior Software Engineer (all genders) - Wikibase Suite" wtf do they mean by "all genders"? Just write Senior Software Engineer, that is genderless by default?

English is actually a weird language without genders in nouns. I.e. in Slavic languages you can say "male software engineer" with word "vyvojar" and "female software engineer" with a word "vyvojarka" and then lot of grammar is built atop of this fact. Job listing are then trying to use something like "vyvojar/ka" to signify that both genders are sought for, but there is nothing like that in English, so you will get t…

fe/male perhaps

Re: Fossjobs: A job board for Free and Open Source jobs

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Post by 47282847 » Thu, Aug 28, 2025, 1:47 PM UTC

fuzzy_biscuit wrote: post #5

That got into 2024 postings fairly quickly. I don't get the sense that the data is very fresh or expansive.

Feel free to crosspost if you come across interesting ones!

Re: Fossjobs: A job board for Free and Open Source jobs

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Post by giancarlostoro » Thu, Aug 28, 2025, 2:09 PM UTC

jpizagno wrote: post #17

This shows just how low the salaries are in Germany. The salaries listed here, at 50k€/annual, were what I was making in 2012, when I entered Germany.

I'm really confused by one of the Germany listings that says in parenthesis "all genders" are jobs in Germany gender specific or something? I'm thinking maybe "Senior Software Engineer" is gendered in German or something. I speak Spanish, and there's a TON of words that are gendered, so I could understand if this is just a case of German being translated and something being non-obvious to me as a result.

Re: Fossjobs: A job board for Free and Open Source jobs

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Post by syntonym2 » Thu, Aug 28, 2025, 2:34 PM UTC

giancarlostoro wrote: post #23

jpizagno wrote: post #17

This shows just how low the salaries are in Germany. The salaries listed here, at 50k€/annual, were what I was making in 2012, when I entered Germany.

I'm really confused by one of the Germany listings that says in parenthesis "all genders" are jobs in Germany gender specific or something? I'm thinking maybe "Senior Software Engineer" is gendered in German or something. I speak Spanish, and there's a TON of words that are gendered, so I could understand if this is just a case of German being translated and something being non-obvious to me as a result.

In german most job titles can either be masculine or feminine, and the masculine case is chosen "by default". Most job advertisements clarify that persons of all gender are welcome to apply. As the job advertisement is in english, it doesn't really make sense here.

Re: Fossjobs: A job board for Free and Open Source jobs

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Post by ahoka » Thu, Aug 28, 2025, 2:34 PM UTC

giancarlostoro wrote: post #23

jpizagno wrote: post #17

This shows just how low the salaries are in Germany. The salaries listed here, at 50k€/annual, were what I was making in 2012, when I entered Germany.

I'm really confused by one of the Germany listings that says in parenthesis "all genders" are jobs in Germany gender specific or something? I'm thinking maybe "Senior Software Engineer" is gendered in German or something. I speak Spanish, and there's a TON of words that are gendered, so I could understand if this is just a case of German being translated and something being non-obvious to me as a result.

They are just stupid, makes no sense in English to add that. In German it's something like: "Fireman wanted (not just men)"

Re: Fossjobs: A job board for Free and Open Source jobs

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Post by rwl » Thu, Aug 28, 2025, 2:36 PM UTC

giancarlostoro wrote: post #23

jpizagno wrote: post #17

This shows just how low the salaries are in Germany. The salaries listed here, at 50k€/annual, were what I was making in 2012, when I entered Germany.

I'm really confused by one of the Germany listings that says in parenthesis "all genders" are jobs in Germany gender specific or something? I'm thinking maybe "Senior Software Engineer" is gendered in German or something. I speak Spanish, and there's a TON of words that are gendered, so I could understand if this is just a case of German being translated and something being non-obvious to me as a result.

Yes, that's what's going on: job titles are typically gendered in German, which leads to job ads being written in an awkward way to express gender neutrality. For example, "engineer" has both a masculine form "Ingenieur" and a feminine form "Ingenieurin", so a job ad might say something like "Ingenieur*in (m/w/d)" to mean "an engineer of any gender".

Re: Fossjobs: A job board for Free and Open Source jobs

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Post by grigio » Thu, Aug 28, 2025, 2:36 PM UTC

giancarlostoro wrote: post #23

jpizagno wrote: post #17

This shows just how low the salaries are in Germany. The salaries listed here, at 50k€/annual, were what I was making in 2012, when I entered Germany.

I'm really confused by one of the Germany listings that says in parenthesis "all genders" are jobs in Germany gender specific or something? I'm thinking maybe "Senior Software Engineer" is gendered in German or something. I speak Spanish, and there's a TON of words that are gendered, so I could understand if this is just a case of German being translated and something being non-obvious to me as a result.

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Re: Fossjobs: A job board for Free and Open Source jobs

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Post by giancarlostoro » Thu, Aug 28, 2025, 2:42 PM UTC

rwl wrote: post #26

giancarlostoro wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm really confused by one of the Germany listings that says in parenthesis "all genders" are jobs in Germany gender specific or something? I'm thinking maybe "Senior Software Engineer" is gendered in German or something. I speak Spanish, and there's a TON of words that are gendered, so I could understand if this is just a case of German being translated and something being non-obvious to me as a result.

Yes, that's what's going on: job titles are typically gendered in German, which leads to job ads being written in an awkward way to express gender neutrality. For example, "engineer" has both a masculine form "Ingenieur" and a feminine form "Ingenieurin", so a job ad might say something like "Ingenieur*in (m/w/d)" to mean "an engineer of any gender".

I think you kind of answered it "Ingenieur" and "Engineer" could be assumed to be roughly the same, so I could see the confusion there.

That trick with the asterisk reminds me of how in Spanish you'll see people using @ to do similar, @ being a place holder for two different possible letters specifically "o" and "a" which can be masculine or feminine depending.

This makes sense, thank you!

Re: Fossjobs: A job board for Free and Open Source jobs

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Post by mhitza » Thu, Aug 28, 2025, 3:06 PM UTC

sandreas wrote: post #19

7bit wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, that's normal in Germany and many listing are German. Fortunately, this fucking practice will be illegal in a little over 4 months.

> Fortunately, this fucking practice will be illegal in a little over 4 months could you elaborate?

This EU directive will kick in which mandates (among other things) transparency for salaries

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/pay-transparency...

Re: Fossjobs: A job board for Free and Open Source jobs

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Post by ujkhsjkdhf234 » Thu, Aug 28, 2025, 3:43 PM UTC

ramon156 wrote: post #20

Is there something similar that's just about contributing to companies' open source software? I like helping out projects while also gaining some experience, but most FOSS software has a cookie-licking issue. I've contributed to Tweede Golf before and that was a very pleasant experience, I can't imagine they're in the minority here.

> but most FOSS software has a cookie-licking issue.

A what issue?