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The cookie law is dead, you’re welcome

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Re: The cookie law is dead, you’re welcome

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Post by ThomPete »

grabeh wrote: post #19

I do enjoy a self-propagandising and excessively hyperbolic headline. In principle the law has an honest objective to increase user awareness of cookies. I just don't understand all the developers on here jumping around at the outrageousness of the law when the ICO in the UK is obviously taking a relaxed approach to enforcement. Obviously the problem is that a law as drafted could be applied as drafted however I thin…

Increasing awareness of cookies is not very helpful. People don't give a rats heini about stuff like that.

All it does is make things more confusing causing customers to drop off.

And I still don't understand what is so bad about them being able to profile me. I want them to do that so I can get better ads / better communication in the future.

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Post by randallsquared »

grabeh wrote: post #19

I do enjoy a self-propagandising and excessively hyperbolic headline. In principle the law has an honest objective to increase user awareness of cookies. I just don't understand all the developers on here jumping around at the outrageousness of the law when the ICO in the UK is obviously taking a relaxed approach to enforcement. Obviously the problem is that a law as drafted could be applied as drafted however I thin…

taking a relaxed approach to enforcement.

Whenever a group largely objects to a law, it seems that some of the group will say something like "Well, at least they're not enforcing it", or "Well, at least prosecutors have discretion on bringing charges", as though this is better, when in fact lax enforcement is worse. If people are not in immediate danger from a law, no matter how bad it is, they will be less inclined to spend their own time and resources fighting it. This means that in modern democracies, bad laws that stay on the books almost always come with inconsistent or rare enforcement, because that's how they stay on the books: people are not outraged enough to lobby for repeal or amendment.

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Post by maeon3 »

One day we will all wake up as slaves to a great machine smarter than any human, we will live, eat, laugh, cry, and die by the machine. And it will know best.

Don't question its authority over you. It's judgement is flawless, divine and infallible. it never makes a mistake.

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Post by zalew »

gioele wrote: post #20

To all the people bashing the EU e-Privacy directive [1] (the "cookie law"): have you bothered read it all? If so, could you please pin-point which part of the directive you do not like? Which part are hard to implement? Can you also explain us (with the same verve used to bash the directive) how your national implementation is even worse than the EU-wide directive? The directive is quite short, definitely shorter th…

> To all the people bashing the EU e-Privacy directive [1] (the "cookie law"): have you bothered read it all?

I haven't read it, but I guess the BBC guys had http://i.imgur.com/b0CYo.png

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Post by malsme »

Fletch137 wrote: post #15
davedx wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The BBC had an annoying popup banner thing.

Just checked and you're right... bad example, I should have checked before I posted. There are, however, plenty of larger companies that did just use a link in the footer (Amazon was one). The day before (IIRC) the deadline for having the law applied, the ICO decided that implied consent could be used, thus making a link in the footer perfectly okay.

The ICO's interpretation of the privacy law requires the user to understand that continued usage of a website will result in tracking (i.e. alert them until they agree), so the BBC's version complies better with the recommendations.

That's what they mean by implied consent – the user can use the website so long as they understand the situation, they don't have to physically agree. A lot of websites then decided to take their own meaning from the term "implied consent" without reading the document.

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Post by pilsetnieks »

mixmax wrote: post #4

The EU cookie law is so stupid and full of holes that it's absolutely ridiculous. Also nobody seems to know how to implement it properly so most people just don't. This includes a lot of government websites and EU organisations, even the EU's main website http://europa.eu/ doesn't comply with the law. If ever there was a bad case of Politicians trying to reach a noble goal (in this case caring about a users privacy)…

Technology is covered by the European Commissioner for research, innovation and science, currently Máire Geoghegan-Quinn of European Liberal Democrat and Reform Party.

However, the commissioners, as members of the European Commission do not take part in EU legislature, the EU Parliament does.

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Post by yaix »

gioele wrote: post #20

To all the people bashing the EU e-Privacy directive [1] (the "cookie law"): have you bothered read it all? If so, could you please pin-point which part of the directive you do not like? Which part are hard to implement? Can you also explain us (with the same verve used to bash the directive) how your national implementation is even worse than the EU-wide directive? The directive is quite short, definitely shorter th…

Welcome to the world of EU bashing. People usually never read anything that comes from Brussels, but love to complain about it. Unfortunately, that is especially true for British media.

Re: The cookie law is dead, you’re welcome

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Post by yaix »

mixmax wrote: post #4

The EU cookie law is so stupid and full of holes that it's absolutely ridiculous. Also nobody seems to know how to implement it properly so most people just don't. This includes a lot of government websites and EU organisations, even the EU's main website http://europa.eu/ doesn't comply with the law. If ever there was a bad case of Politicians trying to reach a noble goal (in this case caring about a users privacy)…

The cookie thing is a British law.

Re: The cookie law is dead, you’re welcome

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Post by codeka »

grabeh wrote: post #19

I do enjoy a self-propagandising and excessively hyperbolic headline. In principle the law has an honest objective to increase user awareness of cookies. I just don't understand all the developers on here jumping around at the outrageousness of the law when the ICO in the UK is obviously taking a relaxed approach to enforcement. Obviously the problem is that a law as drafted could be applied as drafted however I thin…

But what's the point of passing a law if you're not going to enforce it?
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