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Re: CDC officials’ resignation emails

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Post by estearum »

martythemaniak wrote: post #19
vkou wrote: post #6

It's a crying shame that given the choice, the voters picked the modern-day equivalent of Lysenkoism[1]. [1] Which due to the timing of its adoption and abandonment did avoid outright causing famines in the Soviet Union... And went on to kill tens of millions of people in China.

Yeah, nothing Trump has done has been particular surprising, but the enthusiasm with which huge portions of America have welcomed or shrugged at his insa has been the real shocker.

IMO there's a small (very) enthusiastic portion of America, then a much larger portion that simply didn't like inflation and would've voted any incumbent out of power. Very poor timing that has already caused generational damage, at least.

Re: CDC officials’ resignation emails

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Post by crooked-v »

pplante wrote: post #4
CamperBob2 wrote: post #3

The good news, at least, is that next week there's a chance we'll finally get to the bottom of the whole autism thing! https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-trump-claims-we-... Seriously. If you voted for this, you owe civilization a debt that you will probably never be wealthy enough or long-lived enough to repay.

As an autistic person with 3 kids with ASD, I get triggered by this bullshit nearly daily. I sincerely hope that whatever "reveal" they have planned does not further harm our ability to access the early interventions that my kids are benefiting from.

I think it's more likely that it will be used as an excuse to actively harm and oppress autistic people and anyone else they can use pseudoscience to try to label as 'damaged' or 'unnatural', rather than merely taking away existing aid.

Re: CDC officials’ resignation emails

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Post by etchalon »

estearum wrote: post #21
martythemaniak wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, nothing Trump has done has been particular surprising, but the enthusiasm with which huge portions of America have welcomed or shrugged at his insa has been the real shocker.

IMO there's a small (very) enthusiastic portion of America, then a much larger portion that simply didn't like inflation and would've voted any incumbent out of power. Very poor timing that has already caused generational damage, at least.

We are not a smart country.

Re: CDC officials’ resignation emails

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Post by hyperliner »

estearum wrote: post #21
martythemaniak wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, nothing Trump has done has been particular surprising, but the enthusiasm with which huge portions of America have welcomed or shrugged at his insa has been the real shocker.

IMO there's a small (very) enthusiastic portion of America, then a much larger portion that simply didn't like inflation and would've voted any incumbent out of power. Very poor timing that has already caused generational damage, at least.

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Re: CDC officials’ resignation emails

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Post by hyperliner »

vkou wrote: post #6

It's a crying shame that given the choice, the voters picked the modern-day equivalent of Lysenkoism[1]. [1] Which due to the timing of its adoption and abandonment did avoid outright causing famines in the Soviet Union... And went on to kill tens of millions of people in China.

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Re: CDC officials’ resignation emails

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Post by ajross »

vkou wrote: post #6

It's a crying shame that given the choice, the voters picked the modern-day equivalent of Lysenkoism[1]. [1] Which due to the timing of its adoption and abandonment did avoid outright causing famines in the Soviet Union... And went on to kill tens of millions of people in China.

> It's a crying shame that given the choice, the voters picked the modern-day equivalent of Lysenkoism[1].

Those voters (who needless to say had never heard of Lysenko) were told by trusted, well-spoken, authoritative, legitimate seeming sources that this was a mainstream position and a very reasonable one. The people who needed to say it was bullshit were deliberately excluded.

And yeah, that applies specifically to Fox News and Facebook, but also to Rogan and the manosphere, and to 4chan.

And to HN, quite frankly. If you want to know why people turned away from science just go back and watch the discourse around late COVID or whatever. And note how it was utterly dominated by the loons in throwaway accounts. Some of us tried fighting back and ended up incessantly flagged and rate-limited, so we gave up. "Reasonable" HN posters fled the field in favor of bland tech discussion (or retreated in the face of "moderation"), and someone looking at the issue without context might assume that the modern Lysenkos must have had a point.

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Post by voidfunc »

vkou wrote: post #6

It's a crying shame that given the choice, the voters picked the modern-day equivalent of Lysenkoism[1]. [1] Which due to the timing of its adoption and abandonment did avoid outright causing famines in the Soviet Union... And went on to kill tens of millions of people in China.

The inability for intelligent people to frame their policies and positions in ways very stupid simple people can understand is the biggest failing of the last 50+ years if not longer.

Re: CDC officials’ resignation emails

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Post by mankyd »

voidfunc wrote: post #27
vkou wrote: post #6

It's a crying shame that given the choice, the voters picked the modern-day equivalent of Lysenkoism[1]. [1] Which due to the timing of its adoption and abandonment did avoid outright causing famines in the Soviet Union... And went on to kill tens of millions of people in China.

The inability for intelligent people to frame their policies and positions in ways very stupid simple people can understand is the biggest failing of the last 50+ years if not longer.

> in ways very stupid simple people can understand

The problem is rarely the ability to understand. It is the ability (or desire) to listen that many lack.

Re: CDC officials’ resignation emails

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Post by estearum »

etchalon wrote: post #23
estearum wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMO there's a small (very) enthusiastic portion of America, then a much larger portion that simply didn't like inflation and would've voted any incumbent out of power. Very poor timing that has already caused generational damage, at least.

We are not a smart country.

Eh, it's common knowledge that "the masses" are vulnerable to demagoguery. The elites who absolutely do know better hold far more blame –– many of them still well-regarded on this very forum!

Re: CDC officials’ resignation emails

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Post by krapp »

voidfunc wrote: post #27
vkou wrote: post #6

It's a crying shame that given the choice, the voters picked the modern-day equivalent of Lysenkoism[1]. [1] Which due to the timing of its adoption and abandonment did avoid outright causing famines in the Soviet Union... And went on to kill tens of millions of people in China.

The inability for intelligent people to frame their policies and positions in ways very stupid simple people can understand is the biggest failing of the last 50+ years if not longer.

I think the bigger failing in that regard is the educational system. There shouldn't be this many stupid people, and they shouldn't be this stupid.
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