Live data from Hacker News

House to investigate Wikipedia over allegations of organized bias

thehill.com

91–100 of 180 posts

Re: House to investigate Wikipedia over allegations of organized bias

#91

This is McCarthyism. You take a polarizing word, then you attack your enemies by claiming they are that thing, and couch the whole thing in an "investigation" whose outcome is predetermined. There is no merit to discussing if the target is that thing, it doesn't matter. It's an ideological attack. If you take it on its face then the attackers win because you're treating them as if they were honest participants in a d…

> This is McCarthyism.

Roy Cohn was Trump's mentor after all.

Re: House to investigate Wikipedia over allegations of organized bias

#92
post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably an attempt at capturing Wikipedia, in preparation for censorship or historic revisionism. I feel like a cosnpiracy theorist, but such things seem less implausible these days.

How exactly is that supposed to work?

It's not complicated, same process as has been applied to government agencies and private universities: remove "DEI", that is any mention of anti racism.

How it's enforced is a detail. They have the Supreme Court to issue whatever verdict is required.

Re: House to investigate Wikipedia over allegations of organized bias

#93
post #15

I don't see the point. Even if there is organized bias, what can Congress legally do about it?

Yeah that'd be a very easy 1A case.

The government gives a lot of exceptions to 1A when claiming they are fighting "bias" against certain groups, countries, or items.

Re: House to investigate Wikipedia over allegations of organized bias

#95
post #92
post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How exactly is that supposed to work?

It's not complicated, same process as has been applied to government agencies and private universities: remove "DEI", that is any mention of anti racism. How it's enforced is a detail. They have the Supreme Court to issue whatever verdict is required.

No, it must be complicated. Wikipedia isn't grant-funded (they have money coming out of their ears) and it isn't a government agency subject to regulation. Most private publications are proudly biased.

In fact, the most likely outcome to the House trying to play hardball with Wikipedia is a double-digit percentage increase in their donations. Which I don't think House Republicans mind, because none of this is actually about Wikipedia.

So, again, how is this supposed to work?

Re: House to investigate Wikipedia over allegations of organized bias

#96

This is McCarthyism. You take a polarizing word, then you attack your enemies by claiming they are that thing, and couch the whole thing in an "investigation" whose outcome is predetermined. There is no merit to discussing if the target is that thing, it doesn't matter. It's an ideological attack. If you take it on its face then the attackers win because you're treating them as if they were honest participants in a d…

[flagged]

> This also ties into what DOGE kept finding.

DOGE wasted billions of dollars and failed.

Re: House to investigate Wikipedia over allegations of organized bias

#97
post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Moving Wikipedia elsewhere will likely have to happen. Thought, the US may respond by blocking Wikipedia content as many regimes in the past have: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Wikipedia

Not to give any ideas, but a likely outcome is a US-based fork that has the offending bias removed, with a "ministry of truth"-y name.

There is already https://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page

Re: House to investigate Wikipedia over allegations of organized bias

#98
post #59
post #3

I don’t trust this administration to perform an unbiased investigation, but it’s not a secret that Wikipedia is a high profile target for anyone who wants to push an agenda. Even trivial topics can attract die-hards who refuse to let an article say something they don’t like. Wikipedia also seeks to have a similar problem to StackOverflow where some users have become very good at working their way into the site’s stru…

Should any administration be investigating a private entity for bias? Whether there is bias or not is entirely immaterial! The government should not be the Ministry of Truth!

Is a non-profit a private entity ?

Re: House to investigate Wikipedia over allegations of organized bias

#100
So reading the actual letter what they are asking for:

> 1.Records, communications, or analysis pertaining to possible coordination by nation state actors in editing activities on Wikipedia.

> 2. Records, communications, or analysis pertaining to possible coordination within academic institutions or other organized efforts to edit or influence content identified as possibly violating Wikipedia policies.

> 3. Records of Wikipedia’s Arbitration Committee (ArbCom) including but not limited to all editor conduct disputes and actions taken against them.

> 4. Records showing identifying and unique characteristics of accounts (such as names, IP addresses, registration dates, user activity logs) for editors subject to actions by ArbCom.

> 5. Documentation of Wikipedia’s editorial policies and protocols including those aimed at ensuring neutrality and addressing bias as well as policies regarding discipline for violations.

> 6. Any analysis conducted or reviewed by the Wikimedia Foundation (or by a third-party acting on its behalf) of patterns of manipulation or bias related to antisemitism and conflicts with the State of Israel.

---

IP adress of users who have gotten in trouble with arbcom is quite concerning. That could make people be afraid of contributing to controversial topics in case their IP ends up in US government hands. Definitely a chilling effect.

Post reply on HN