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F-35 pilot held 50-minute airborne conference call with engineers before crash
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Re: F-35 pilot held 50-minute airborne conference call with engineers before crash
#222> The temperature at the time of the crash was -1 degree Fahrenheit, the report said. That's ground temperature (also balmy, for Alaska). It starts getting colder, pretty quickly, once you're in the air. Hope they figure this out quickly, before someone ends up dead.
Dude, that’s a killing machine, someone will always end up dead.
Good point.
Re: F-35 pilot held 50-minute airborne conference call with engineers before crash
#223The article is somewhat sensationalistic. If you read the actual report you will find out that:
The pilot was not part of the conference call!
What froze was not hydraulic fluid for actuators (in some hydraulic line), but hydraulic fluid in the shock absorbers.
The last paragraph of the article and seems to be missing a few words and reads as the investigators blaming the people directly involved, which is essentially a complete opposite of what conclusions of the report say.
Re: F-35 pilot held 50-minute airborne conference call with engineers before crash
#224Isn’t F-35 capable of VTOL? Couldn’t they just land on the belly? Or the malfunctioning landing gears disabled VTOL?
Not this variant.
I have no idea how VTOLs would work in this scenario, but I suspect it could be recovered safely in that config.
Non-VTOL fighter landings with improper gear configurations have various guidelines (As discussed in the report here) in their checklists, depending on which gear are down. They range from landing normalish, landing while applying counter-forces etc, to approach-end-resentment, to ejection.
Re: F-35 pilot held 50-minute airborne conference call with engineers before crash
#225Isn’t F-35 capable of VTOL? Couldn’t they just land on the belly? Or the malfunctioning landing gears disabled VTOL?
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Re: F-35 pilot held 50-minute airborne conference call with engineers before crash
#226Isn’t F-35 capable of VTOL? Couldn’t they just land on the belly? Or the malfunctioning landing gears disabled VTOL?
No. F-35A is conventional take-off and landing. F-35B is STOVL. F-35C is CATOBAR (catapult take-off, arrestor landing).
Re: F-35 pilot held 50-minute airborne conference call with engineers before crash
#227Earlier quoted context omitted.
Airbus is fully fly-by-wire. Without some kind of computer intervention, nothing would be stopping an accidental bang against the flight stick from causing a maneuver violent enough to rip the wings off. An Airbus can operate in three modes. With Normal Law, the airplane will refuse to do anything which will stop it from flying. This means the pilot cannot stall the airplane, for example: the computer will automatica…
How does a pilot switch between the three modes? Just switches on the dash?
This is a very "Don't do this" kind of situation but you can force the computer to switch to a different law by pulling circuit breakers for certain instruments. Typically though it will happen automatically when the computer detects sensor failures.
Changing the law of the aircraft is something you REALLY do not want to do. It's a "The Airplane broke real bad, do that pilot thing!" situation. Especially on a fighter jet with relaxed stability.
https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=748133
Some fighters have an "EFCS" switch which will switch laws. This can be used during "I'm going to fly into the ground" or "I'm losing this dogfight" situations. Typically this means you are going to be scrapping the airframe soon one way or another.
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#228Earlier quoted context omitted.
Doesn't ejecting from a plane potentially break bones? I think it's pretty intense. Good on the pilot for doing the debug session
It risks career. 2 ejections and you won’t fly for the military any more.
I went to an ejected pilot call when I worked in EMS. Guy was ok but protocol was handle as potential spinal injury. The force of ejecting puts a lot of compression on intervertebral discs and the effect is cumulative so more ejections means more chance of trashing your back.
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#229Earlier quoted context omitted.
I take it you never flew VFR over Nebraska corn… Yes, papi lights are operated by radio. However, not everyone has fancy radios and only has handhelds, their Nokia phone, or their right arm wave… It’s not all class C+ out there. I will point out that PAPI lights as part of a PCL system are operated using mic clicks on CTAF radio. These systems are expensive and sometimes you’re landing in a grass field and just need…
It’s interesting now that a side effect of LLMs is that people can say anything outside their experience is just a hallucination. I didn’t realize how the fear of hallucination could enable this level of belligerence.
I’m more worried about the young generation taking LLM as fact. Or thinking they are talking to an expert in the field. When an expert will say “Let’s find out!”.
They weren’t taught to think, they were taught to ask.
Taught that there’s only “one way” to live. “One way” to a good paying job. “One way” to go to college. When that’s a lie they tell you so that you conform, pay tuition, or pay restitution.
There’s pilots that operate all over the world. Not everything is FAA approved. Not everything is by the book unless you fly commercial.
Re: F-35 pilot held 50-minute airborne conference call with engineers before crash
#230Earlier quoted context omitted.
I imagine that ejecting at certain phases of these two attempts would not be survivable. "The pilot then tried two “touch and go” landings, where the plane briefly lands, to try to straighten out the jammed nose gear, the report said."
According to the ejection seat manufacturer [1] there is no minimum height or speed at which the ejection seat can be used, so as long as the aircraft is roughly level then the ejection should be survivable. [1] https://martin-baker.com/ejection-seats/us16e/
I would expect if the aircraft were level at 50 ft above the ground, flying inverted, an ejection would not be survivable.