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Dissecting the Apple M1 GPU, the end

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Re: Dissecting the Apple M1 GPU, the end

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Post by dagmx »

Fokamul wrote: post #97

I'm curious, why are not these people hit with C&D from Apple? And other great projects, like Corellium (Actual iOS VM, not that crap Apple makes) are hit hard with lawsuits etc. (You know, great project for these people who is still RE iOS for 0days and report them to Apple, which is behind me long time ago, reporting 0days for peanuts, yeah right :) )

Completely different projects in terms of what they’re providing.

Correlium was selling and distributing access to Apple’s software along with security bypasses.

Asahi is not redistributing any Apple IP, are using Apple sanctioned methods to run, and are not commercial.

Re: Dissecting the Apple M1 GPU, the end

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Post by dreamcompiler »

SSLy wrote: post #99
blu3h4t wrote: post #54

May I ask something, I want an apple silicone MacBook Air and I am probably just be running Linux on it, what are pros and cons of getting an m1 vs m2? Except for more ram or so. Thx

m2 has magsafe

M2 Air has magsafe. M1 Air does not.

Re: Dissecting the Apple M1 GPU, the end

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Post by benoau »

porphyra wrote: post #109
xiphias2 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Too bad it was not Apple who hired her for M4, but in business leaders are always the most closed ones.

Honestly if Apple had embraced Linux, the Apple Silicon CPUs would have been amazing for all sorts of server, scientific, and AI/LLM work. Too bad they are clamping down on the walled garden to focus on consumer toys instead.

The real shame is the longevity, M1 Pro and M1 Max got discontinued two and a half years ago so they're on their way to the vintage list and could be entirely obsoleted by the end of this decade! Linux support is the only thing that will keep these machines usable after that.

Re: Dissecting the Apple M1 GPU, the end

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Post by lotsofpulp »

porphyra wrote: post #108
monocasa wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good luck to her. That's one of the pieces of Intel I think will survive its slow motion implosion.

I just hope that Intel doesn't squander the talent like they did with Jim Keller.

Intel still has all the same short sighted bosses, the board of directors at Intel hasn’t changed.

Re: Dissecting the Apple M1 GPU, the end

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Post by lotsofpulp »

MBCook wrote: post #140
contrarian1234 wrote: post #120

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Oh interesting! I for some reason thought Apple devices can only every be purchased from Apple (maybe that was only during the Steve Jobs era) But 8GB of RAM.. that's unfortunately completely unusable by most developers. (Panfrost drivers you can at least use on RPi-like devices) Maybe in another 5 years it'll work on the M3/4 and I'll revisit this. Good to know the devices are still being built so long after release

They’ve always been available at Best Buy, BH Photo, and other authorized partners in the US. The Walmart deal is a total mystery. It started, seemingly, as dumping new old stock without selling it on Apple.com, but they’ve even updated the machine I think so clearly it’s an ongoing concern. Nothing like it I know of for Apple, ever. I’d love to know the story.

I would guess Apple’s goal is increasing the number of people buying recurring Apple services, such as icloud and tv+.

It has been a long time since people have needed cutting edge laptops, so an M1 bought today will still work for 90% of people for the next 5+ years. Even if Apple doesn’t earn a large profit margin on the sale of the laptop, they could earn a decent amount on monthly services revenue, plus increased odds of that person buying a watch/airpods/phone/etc.

Re: Dissecting the Apple M1 GPU, the end

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Post by blu3h4t »

Perz1val wrote: post #91
blu3h4t wrote: post #54

May I ask something, I want an apple silicone MacBook Air and I am probably just be running Linux on it, what are pros and cons of getting an m1 vs m2? Except for more ram or so. Thx

The short answer is that it's just a stupid idea (and a waste of money). Asahi only works somewhat ok on M1.

Sorry but I just can let it, I bought a Microsoft dev kit 2023 just to test hundreds of gigabytes of windows software I’m responsible for would deploy on it with the system center :D If that software would also Work ofcourse is another thing. :D

Re: Dissecting the Apple M1 GPU, the end

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Post by tlamponi »

MangoToupe wrote: post #130
homebrewer wrote: post #90

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Thanks Jesus it's Intel and not Apple, Intel has been extremely good at working upstream and has immense contributions in the Linux kernel, mesa, and elsewhere. Wasting such talent on Apple would make the world worse for us all.

I don't see a future for intel, frankly, but I'm very happy she found a good paying job.

There was a time when people said that about AMD.

Don't get me wrong, Intel's outlook is IMO currently indeed rather bleak, but I would not completely write it off just yet.

Re: Dissecting the Apple M1 GPU, the end

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Post by ActorNightly »

kmeisthax wrote: post #31
ActorNightly wrote: post #10

Im glad she stepped away from Asahi linux. Its absolutely great from a techincal perspective and the progress that team has made, but talented people like her shouldn't be trying to reverse engineer software/hardware from shitty anti-consumer company that can make the entire project work in a heartbeat by publishing documentation, in lieu of building better stuff from the ground up.

Even with proper documentation, there still would have been loads of work to get M1/M2 GPUs working on Asahi Linux. Writing GPU drivers worth a damn is about as difficult as targeting a compiler to a new CPU architecture. It would not be "in a heartbeat".

Im not talking about chip level documentation. Apple could take their source code for drivers and compile the kernel level for linux (since its all just C code) while open sourcing the user space.

Re: Dissecting the Apple M1 GPU, the end

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Post by koakuma-chan »

homebrewer wrote: post #90
xiphias2 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Too bad it was not Apple who hired her for M4, but in business leaders are always the most closed ones.

Thanks Jesus it's Intel and not Apple, Intel has been extremely good at working upstream and has immense contributions in the Linux kernel, mesa, and elsewhere. Wasting such talent on Apple would make the world worse for us all.

Why? Apple makes good products. It seems, unlike Intel.
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