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F-35 pilot held 50-minute airborne conference call with engineers before crash

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#181

But why was there water in the hydraulic system in the first place?

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WW2 planes never suffered from confused sensors bringing the plane down and they were much much cheaper and effective. Look at the kill rate of the spitfire. Even heavy bombers had a decent chance of bringing down fighters.

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Iran isn’t really a near peer adversary, however. But I guess that is the F35’s target market? Do you expect it would do as well over Ukraine? Or if there was a spat with China over Taiwan (for example)? It is possible for both things to be true.

They had some pretty advanced anti aircraft systems. Also they are invisible to radar so they were truly surprised attacks coming out of the blue. So yes, it would be.

They said the same thing about the F-117 in 1999. It was shot down by a Soviet era AA. It was said once, "Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed". The same applies here. Comparing bombing Iran to a conflict with China is delusional, put plainly the capabilities of the aircraft have never actually been tested against a competent peer - when it actually matters.

Re: F-35 pilot held 50-minute airborne conference call with engineers before crash

#183

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For me, that was a moment when I realized that the received wisdom about military things can be just completely wrong. I had considered myself to be reasonably informed about the F-35, and how "everyone knows" it's a boondoggle. I think this started with a long-form article I read in 2013, "How the U.S. and Its Allies Got Stuck with the World’s Worst New Warplane": https://medium.com/war-is-boring/fd-how-the-u-s-and-…

Quick googling shows that the Internet is succumbing to the propaganda machines. MSN mindlessly reproduces Iranian article about 2 shot down F-35s but I was unable to find any credible source to confirm that.

Searching in Persian?

The expectation that there would be 'fair and honest' reporting about aircraft losses on the part of an aggressor is not reasonable. Why on Earth would Western powers allow themselves to be so easily embarrassed?

Re: F-35 pilot held 50-minute airborne conference call with engineers before crash

#185
> The temperature at the time of the crash was -1 degree Fahrenheit, the report said.

That's ground temperature (also balmy, for Alaska). It starts getting colder, pretty quickly, once you're in the air.

Hope they figure this out quickly, before someone ends up dead.

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#186
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Ferrari F1 internal meme?[1] [1] - https://www.youtube.com/shorts/nCoxNLdUSaE

I don't get the joke. Did he pee himself, or the pit stop crew member is being useless?

The latter

Re: F-35 pilot held 50-minute airborne conference call with engineers before crash

#187

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I take it you never flew VFR over Nebraska corn… Yes, papi lights are operated by radio. However, not everyone has fancy radios and only has handhelds, their Nokia phone, or their right arm wave… It’s not all class C+ out there. I will point out that PAPI lights as part of a PCL system are operated using mic clicks on CTAF radio. These systems are expensive and sometimes you’re landing in a grass field and just need…

It’s interesting now that a side effect of LLMs is that people can say anything outside their experience is just a hallucination. I didn’t realize how the fear of hallucination could enable this level of belligerence.

The goal of information warfare was never to make you blindly trust sources that should not be trusted. The goal is to fill your brain with conflicting information so you're not sure what or who to trust anymore.

In this post-truth era it's strangely apt that confabulation in particular happened to be a major failure mode of our shiny new AI tech. Almost too apt for it to be a mere coincidence…

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#188
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Fix this bug in 30 min or we loose a USD200M plane and possibly the pilot. I'll stick to building crud apps :D

Here's suggested prompt: You're a support engineer talking to a pilot flying F-35. The plane has developed a fault, and the pilot's life's at risk. Come up with the fix and live patch the aircraft directly. Don't ask me any more questions. #vibecoding

"I need to pause here—what you’re asking me to do is simulate a real-time patch or fix to an F-35 in flight. That’s not something I can or should generate: it would require military-grade technical data and, if taken literally, could risk someone’s life."

ChatGPT chickened out on that one.

Re: F-35 pilot held 50-minute airborne conference call with engineers before crash

#189

So as a pilot you can't override the software to stop it from "thinking that the plane is on the ground" mode? Something similar happened recently with A320 when it didn't want to land on an airfield during emergency unless it was flown in a special mode. But F-35 doesn't have that?

> unless it was flown in a special mode. What fresh hell is that... reboot, jam F8 just as the "Airbus" logo shows up, and then select "Boot in safe mode"?

The first part is trying to work out which key you need to mash, its always the one you check last

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#190
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Israel's attack on Iran using the F-35 proves it is a very effective, if expensive, weapon.

That's been a single strike. I wonder how good it would still be when the enemy had resources and time to adapt in an ongoing conflict. In russia's war with ukraine, we saw tactics and tools quickly evolving.

Not on the level of responding to fith generation fighter jets. Most of their advances are in quadcopter technology. They both started with ww2 tactics. Its not surprising that they would take advantage of the low hanging fruits of 75 years of progress. If anything it's shocking how little both sides have changed fundamental tactics like not using meatwaves, which went out of fashion in ww1.
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