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F-35 pilot held 50-minute airborne conference call with engineers before crash

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Re: F-35 pilot held 50-minute airborne conference call with engineers before crash

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So as a pilot you can't override the software to stop it from "thinking that the plane is on the ground" mode? Something similar happened recently with A320 when it didn't want to land on an airfield during emergency unless it was flown in a special mode. But F-35 doesn't have that?

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Re: F-35 pilot held 50-minute airborne conference call with engineers before crash

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This is wild. You can't get away from these zoom calls even as an F-35 pilot.

I bet, once the gear malfunctioned, Clippy popped up on the screen and suggested to call support.

Hey, all Clippy ever wanted to do was help.

Re: F-35 pilot held 50-minute airborne conference call with engineers before crash

#36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Likely contamination of ground handling equipment [1]. Unfortunately can happen. I wonder if the hydraulic fluid is hygroscopic or something? 1. https://www.pacaf.af.mil/Portals/6/documents/3_AIB%20Report....

Hydraulic brake fluid is glycol ether based and hygroscopic. Planes usually use mineral based fluids which are not, but heck if I know what the F-35 uses.

Quoting ChatGPT (and after a quick sanity check),

The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter uses a specialized hydraulic fluid that’s based on a synthetic ester formulation, not a petroleum-based fluid.

Specifically, it uses phosphate ester–based fire-resistant hydraulic fluid (commonly in the MIL-PRF-83282 or newer MIL-PRF-87257 class).

Apparently the older phosphate-ester based hydraulic fluids were hygroscopic but I'm not sure if the newer variants are.

Re: F-35 pilot held 50-minute airborne conference call with engineers before crash

#38
Switzerland, if they want something they can fly for air policing is forced to buy the F35 at what every price the US feels fit (even though the contract with Lockheed states a fixed price, naive politicians and consultants found out the hard way). Of course the CHF to USD conversion is fix at a shit rate from many years ago and from what I understand there is no way around that because the SNB did the conversion back then already.

We have no alternative we can get before 2035. They are talking about extending the F/A-18 but since we would be the only ones still using them we would have to pay for that too at who know what price.

The public approved 6 billion and now it looks like it will be way more, excluding skyrocketing maintenance which is not included and a patriot missile system that when it is finally delivered will cost who knows how many billions.

The whole thing is an absolute shit show here and that's ignoring the technical issues this thing has...

Re: F-35 pilot held 50-minute airborne conference call with engineers before crash

#39

But why was there water in the hydraulic system in the first place?

It could be condensation in expansion tanks, or it could be rain into open containers on the ground, or someone could have mistakenly poured cooling liquid (or something else) into the containers, or into the hydraulic system itself, or ...

Re: F-35 pilot held 50-minute airborne conference call with engineers before crash

#40

But why was there water in the hydraulic system in the first place?

Likely contamination of ground handling equipment [1]. Unfortunately can happen. I wonder if the hydraulic fluid is hygroscopic or something? 1. https://www.pacaf.af.mil/Portals/6/documents/3_AIB%20Report....

Thanks for the link. This is much more useful than the news article.
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