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Uncomfortable Questions About Android Developer Verification

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Re: Uncomfortable Questions About Android Developer Verification

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> next up is also your PC Already starting on macos. Gatekeeper had setting where you could allow any app. Now it is removed. While still possible to allow individual app (you need to do it after every OS update), trajectory is now clear.

boot into Recovery, run "csrutil disable" and do whatever you want (not a recommendation)

How many people would be able to use this workaround?

Re: Uncomfortable Questions About Android Developer Verification

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Why is it so complex to have a foss mobile OS. I only have Linux PCs (laptops) and servers, 100% of my work and personal stuff is done there (though for work I do need to hop into MS365, Google Workspace, Zoom, etc, hooray for browsers, my final firewall between me and the walled gardens, though we can have a whole discussion on that). For mobile, we have PostmarketOS, Phosh, Ubuntu Touch. I really must try living in…

> For mobile, we have PostmarketOS, Phosh, Ubuntu Touch. Why are you only listing DEs and not operating systems? (You also missed SXMo and more.) There are many more operating systems [0] and two working GNU/Linux phones, Librem 5 and Pinephone. Why people are ignoring them on HN? [0] https://pine64.org/documentation/PinePhone/Software/

PostmarketOS is, as the name implies, an OS. And I don't think OP was trying to make an exhaustive list.

The point is, there's plenty of "competing" options, but hardly anyone uses them.

Re: Uncomfortable Questions About Android Developer Verification

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I could be one of the people running an ungoogled phone, but my bank refuses to have an app that runs on an ungoogled OS for "security"

My bank blocks my mobile with Lineage OS, and it's not even possible to login to the web site without the mobile app. Absolutely pathetic. Now I have to keep my 4 year old phone with 2 year outdated Android to access the bank application. Which deemed more safe then my mobile with latest security updates. Haha

last time I walked into the bank to do something, they tried to peddle their app. I giggled and said no, their developers don't understand security.

my phone is rooted and their app won't work.

Re: Uncomfortable Questions About Android Developer Verification

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To continue with the text of the rest of the section (with the footnotes present in the original removed): If you run a nonfree program on your computer, it denies your freedom; the immediate wrong is directed at you. That does not mean you're an “evildoer” or “sinner” for running a nonfree program. When the harm you're doing is mainly to yourself, we hope you will stop, for your own sake. Sometimes you may face grea…

Thanks, I wasn't trying to cherry pick or anything. But I don't think that the full text changes the substance of what is laid out in the first couple of paragraphs. The FSF (and by extension Stallman) refrains from calling the user names if he chooses to use nonfree software, presumably because they recognize that freedom must include the freedom to run any software at all, even if they consider it harmful. But they…

> But they are quite clear that they do consider it harmful both to oneself and others to run nonfree software, even if it is useful.

As we're seeing, time and time and time again, it is harmful. The benefits may outweigh the harms today, but unless the steward of that nonfree software is extraordinarily careful and forward-thinking (as it were), those relationships inevitably go bad and become coercive over time. As we know, Stallman is (and always has been) right about this.

> That, to me, is very much refusing to make concessions to practicality within their ideology.

1) The last paragraph of the opening section is a plain and obvious concession to practicality: "But there is one special case where using some nonfree software ... can be a positive thing. That's when the use of the nonfree software aims directly at putting an end to the use of that very same nonfree software."

2) I'm not sure how saying "We'd be sad and would all be worse off if you used nonfree software, but do understand that there can be compelling real-world reasons to do so. Please don't use nonfree software, or -if that's not possible- consider small ways to avoid using it whenever opportunity presents itself." is anything but a concession to practicality. A hard-liner that refuses to make concessions to practicality wouldn't incorporate such a thing into their philosophy!

Respectfully, are you sure you're not letting knowledge of how Stallman uses/manages/etc his personal computing devices influence your interpretation of what these essays and the FSF's philosophy are about?

Re: Uncomfortable Questions About Android Developer Verification

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My bank used to block VPNs “for security reasons.” Now they very kindly just display a warning.

Gas station app I use asks to turn VPN off every launch (even when it is disabled)

Why does a gas station need an app?

Re: Uncomfortable Questions About Android Developer Verification

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It's pretty obvious, it's costly to make one that is up to the level of quality of commercial ones. It's not a mistake that the 2 mobile oses are owned and created by some of the largest and most profitable companies in the world.

It’s costly, but those two companies also operate in a hierarchical manner (like the military or a feudal kingdom) which makes decision-making and accountability much easier. The FOSS world has been rife with petty agree-or-fork squabbles, often over relatively abstract philosophical concerns about license language.

> The FOSS world has been rife with petty agree-or-fork squabbles, often over relatively abstract philosophical concerns about license language.

You cannot say that. This means we have thousand half-baked projects to choose from, and choice is good. At least this is what I was told.

Re: Uncomfortable Questions About Android Developer Verification

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Personally I'm a big fan of not registering with the police every time a use a public restroom.

It's for security, like showing your ID at the airport! Airports have public restrooms, after all. (/s)

Quick, show me your ID. That way if you get scammed I know know it was you that got scammed!

Re: Uncomfortable Questions About Android Developer Verification

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This shouldn't just be "questions"; this should be a full-on opposition. Do not give them even an inch, or they'll take a mile. "debugger vendors in 2047 distributed numbered copies only, and only to officially licensed and bonded programmers." - Richard Stallman, The Right to Read , 1997

Why is it so complex to have a foss mobile OS. I only have Linux PCs (laptops) and servers, 100% of my work and personal stuff is done there (though for work I do need to hop into MS365, Google Workspace, Zoom, etc, hooray for browsers, my final firewall between me and the walled gardens, though we can have a whole discussion on that). For mobile, we have PostmarketOS, Phosh, Ubuntu Touch. I really must try living in…

As far as I am concerned a Raspberry Pi 4G/5G/LTE-edition would be 50% of getting there.
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