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The “Wow!” signal was likely from extraterrestrial source, and more powerful

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Re: The “Wow!” signal was likely from extraterrestrial source, and more powerful

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Quite similar to the "my cat listening to me making 10 grammar mistakes" meme. Alien: sends SOS after years of studying human communication signals, as a last ditch effort to mark their existence before being wiped out by supernova. Humans: Look - the sky people said WOW .

> Quite similar to the "my cat listening to me making 10 grammar mistakes" meme. Which meme is that?

Trips me up too can't find anything related

Edit0: AH! Meowing to your cat and your cat being annoyed at the mistakes in cat speech you're making.

Re: The “Wow!” signal was likely from extraterrestrial source, and more powerful

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Space aliens are still kinda the best explanation. It's extremely inconclusive, and it's entirely possible that we'll discover some new natural phenomenon to explain it instead, but for now there's not really any known alternative.

That's like saying God is the best explanation for any newly described natural phenomenon.

God is an extraterrestial or not? :)

Re: The “Wow!” signal was likely from extraterrestrial source, and more powerful

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Space aliens are still kinda the best explanation. It's extremely inconclusive, and it's entirely possible that we'll discover some new natural phenomenon to explain it instead, but for now there's not really any known alternative.

That's like saying God is the best explanation for any newly described natural phenomenon.

How? We don't know gods exist. We know beings with technology and agency living on planets in space exist. There seems nothing at all similar between the two explanations.

Re: The “Wow!” signal was likely from extraterrestrial source, and more powerful

#34

Quite similar to the "my cat listening to me making 10 grammar mistakes" meme. Alien: sends SOS after years of studying human communication signals, as a last ditch effort to mark their existence before being wiped out by supernova. Humans: Look - the sky people said WOW .

A human wrote WOW on the paper because there was a signal, with no idea what the signal meant or where it came from. It wasn't an attempt to decipher the signal.

Re: The “Wow!” signal was likely from extraterrestrial source, and more powerful

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Alternatively, advanced megaprojects are only achievable through sophisticated large-scale cooperation. Aggression leads to infighting; infighting wastes resources on zero-sum conflict. >based on the current state of humanity, I'm not to optimistic. Which version of Earth culture has a better shot at building e.g. a megastructure for an interstellar beacon: Earth culture during the post-nationalist 90s moment, or Ear…

>Alternatively, advanced megaprojects are only achievable through sophisticated large-scale cooperation. Alternatively, megastructures are only achievable through massive amounts of low wage workers with terrible working conditions. Consider: Panama canal, most large railroads, Snowy hydro. As time rolls forward we appear to lose our ability to do large things, and in part that's because we are less and less acceptin…

There's no reason to think that megastructures are only achievable through slavery, but I think it's fair to say that it's a lot cheaper if you're willing to disregard the humanity of others and abuse them until you get what you want. The alternative is that you pay workers what they're worth and use enough of them that they aren't being overworked, but that eats into profits.

I think we still take plenty of risks, still do big things, and still enslave and abuse a lot of workers. It's increasingly seen for the evil it is, but that hasn't stopped it from happening. I think the biggest reason you don't see as many massive projects these days is because we've already got a ton of infrastructure in place, major technological advances are getting harder to come by as we've covered a lot of the "easy" stuff already, and the emphasis on short term/immediate profits.

When we suddenly need a massive structure to house a major sporting event like the world cup or Olympics where a small number of people are basically certain to make a fortune you'll find we're still perfectly willing to construct it on the backs and corpses of forced labor and migrant workers suffering abuse, only to abandon it afterwards until it's time to build a new one somewhere else.

Re: The “Wow!” signal was likely from extraterrestrial source, and more powerful

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Any species that is advanced enough for interstellar communication will almost certainly be a highly aggressive apex species. You don't get to the top of the food chain by being nice, you get there by murdering all of the competition and plundering all of the resources. And if you were trying to be nice, someone else would have just wiped you out. The big question is if a species can eventually reach some point of co…

> Any species that is advanced enough for interstellar communication will almost certainly be a highly aggressive apex species. How can you estimate likelihood of behavior when currently N=0 (or N=1 if you count humans)? There is no baseline, no control; it's just complete speculation, a roundabout way of saying "this is what I think humans would likely do, therefore, all advanced life forms must also be like this".

Projecting behavior onto a phantom is just a venue for reflecting a personal worldview onto something else. "Being short-sighted and selfish worked for the aliens, so it would work here too".

Re: The “Wow!” signal was likely from extraterrestrial source, and more powerful

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Any species that is advanced enough for interstellar communication will almost certainly be a highly aggressive apex species. You don't get to the top of the food chain by being nice, you get there by murdering all of the competition and plundering all of the resources. And if you were trying to be nice, someone else would have just wiped you out. The big question is if a species can eventually reach some point of co…

> Any species that is advanced enough for interstellar communication will almost certainly be a highly aggressive apex species. Well we could always be pets. That wouldn't be so bad.

Obligatory: https://xkcd.com/1732/

@13,500 BCE

Re: The “Wow!” signal was likely from extraterrestrial source, and more powerful

#38
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Either way, I really hope that we establish contact with aliens in my lifetime. Hopefully they're chill, and like us lol.

Any species that is advanced enough for interstellar communication will almost certainly be a highly aggressive apex species. You don't get to the top of the food chain by being nice, you get there by murdering all of the competition and plundering all of the resources. And if you were trying to be nice, someone else would have just wiped you out. The big question is if a species can eventually reach some point of co…

I think if you develop to that point, you don’t really need to have a competitive scarcity mindset anymore.

Re: The “Wow!” signal was likely from extraterrestrial source, and more powerful

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Any species that is advanced enough for interstellar communication will almost certainly be a highly aggressive apex species. You don't get to the top of the food chain by being nice, you get there by murdering all of the competition and plundering all of the resources. And if you were trying to be nice, someone else would have just wiped you out. The big question is if a species can eventually reach some point of co…

Alternatively, advanced megaprojects are only achievable through sophisticated large-scale cooperation. Aggression leads to infighting; infighting wastes resources on zero-sum conflict. >based on the current state of humanity, I'm not to optimistic. Which version of Earth culture has a better shot at building e.g. a megastructure for an interstellar beacon: Earth culture during the post-nationalist 90s moment, or Ear…

I am to my dorsal-most heart muscle cell what society is to me. All my cells mostly cooperate. Certainly they cooperate long enough to build a megaproject called a human, so large-scale cooperation is possible.

But there are also lots of bacteria in the world. Way more than animal cells. And they're doing okay on average.

Re: The “Wow!” signal was likely from extraterrestrial source, and more powerful

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Extraterrestrial as in "not of Earthly origin" — not as in space aliens.

Either way, I really hope that we establish contact with aliens in my lifetime. Hopefully they're chill, and like us lol.

Which of our leaders do you hope their leaders are like?
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