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What Happens When You Taunt 4Chan: Story of Lacey Vicich

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Re: What Happens When You Taunt 4Chan: Story of Lacey Vicich

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I didn't feel bad for Timothy Treadwell when he got eaten by a grizzly bear as covered in the film, Grizzly Man. It was almost expected given his actions.

I felt bad for him, but not surprised at the outcome. But when grizzly bears ate Timothy Treadwell, they were not deliberately trying to be malicious, at least as far as we know.

Who's to say that 4chan users, too, are not simply motivated by instinct, knowing neither malice or conscience?

Re: What Happens When You Taunt 4Chan: Story of Lacey Vicich

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I remember when this started happening, something trickled over to Reddit and so I investigated to get the full story. Needless to say, it was rather quite horrible and I really did feel for the girl. At the same time, I was utterly confused as to why on earth she tried to poke a hornets nest... It's a shame that people are still trying to ruin her life more. It's almost like some people think if something is done ov…

I hope the people who harass her are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

The fact is, sometimes hornets' nests need poking, not because of the hornets that will fly out and sting you, but so an exterminator will notice the nest and remove it shortly.

While I question her motives (linking to a porn site of herself didn't exactly help) this really shows the dark side of the internet yet again.

Re: What Happens When You Taunt 4Chan: Story of Lacey Vicich

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There is more to 4chan than just /b/. Yes, /b/ seems to be the only reason people hear or know about 4chan. But /b/ has done this sort of stuff in the past for massive 'lulz', and they have also stopped stuff like animal cruelty, or even that one kid who decided to post a pic of his feet in people's salad (which got him fired). Good times here, http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/tom-green-raids There's another 50 boards o…

Sure, there are other boards, but /b/ is bigger than all of them combined, and is the primary reason for 4chan's fame. It's not entirely accurate to assume that they are one and the same, but it's mostly accurate.

Re: What Happens When You Taunt 4Chan: Story of Lacey Vicich

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There is more to 4chan than just /b/. Yes, /b/ seems to be the only reason people hear or know about 4chan. But /b/ has done this sort of stuff in the past for massive 'lulz', and they have also stopped stuff like animal cruelty, or even that one kid who decided to post a pic of his feet in people's salad (which got him fired). Good times here, http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/tom-green-raids There's another 50 boards o…

Yeah, it's crap to be cruel to animals, but people? Do whatever you want to 'em!

4chan as a whole may have redeeming value (I'm not involved, so I can't say), but to the rest of the world, 4chan == /b.

Re: What Happens When You Taunt 4Chan: Story of Lacey Vicich

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Well, it's not a direct causal connection -- that's how we use "and" in English -- but basically, moral responsibility is commutative. Bears don't have a responsibility towards us: they're bears, they don't realize it's wrong to eat hikers. And accordingly, we don't have a responsibility towards bears: If there's a bear that's eating hikers, we don't try to have a conversation with it, we shoot it and move on.

That's a ridiculous example, and in fact it proves the opposite. Notice that we only shoot bears that are actually eating hikers, even though no bear actually have moral responsibility toward us; that's because we as a society do feel moral responsibility towards bears (and animals in general), and therefore avoid shooting them except when required. We certainly don't feel anywhere near the same moral responsibility…

Notice that we only shoot bears that are actually eating hikers

Not true. Bears are a popular animal to hunt in every state in the US that has them.

Re: What Happens When You Taunt 4Chan: Story of Lacey Vicich

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Spoken like someone who has never been slut-shamed. Classic ad hominem. People don't actually get maimed because they stupidly walked into a minefield. The operative term here is 'hypothetical analogy'. By insisting on the accuracy of the morbidity statistics of real-world minefields you're intentionally confusing the point and trying to derail the discussion.

I don't know. The only rail I see in this discussion is "wow, she should have known better." Nothing about how pathological the response was, nothing about the culture that encourages that community to retaliate with such vengeance and mirth. All of that is in the story, and in the background, but we're not talking about that... we're talking about whether or not she should have known better. That's the rail.

Discussing the response is useless, because there's nothing much to discuss, we'd just be agreeing with each other and patting ourselves on the back. I know that some communities enjoys such circlejerks, but I expect HN to be above that.

Re: What Happens When You Taunt 4Chan: Story of Lacey Vicich

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There is more to 4chan than just /b/. Yes, /b/ seems to be the only reason people hear or know about 4chan. But /b/ has done this sort of stuff in the past for massive 'lulz', and they have also stopped stuff like animal cruelty, or even that one kid who decided to post a pic of his feet in people's salad (which got him fired). Good times here, http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/tom-green-raids There's another 50 boards o…

Why would I want to explore a place that hosts a filthy cesspool crawling with loathsome sloths and immature rejects from all walks of life?

Thanks for your great advice, but I think I'll just stay as far away from that place as possible. I'm sure I'll be able to read about it somewhere else, the next time these mindless children decide to go too far.

Re: What Happens When You Taunt 4Chan: Story of Lacey Vicich

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post #51
post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I felt bad for him, but not surprised at the outcome. But when grizzly bears ate Timothy Treadwell, they were not deliberately trying to be malicious, at least as far as we know.

Who's to say that 4chan users, too, are not simply motivated by instinct, knowing neither malice or conscience?

No, because it's bloody obvious that they're doing things specifically to hurt people. Humans don't desecrate graves by instinct, that requires malice, I'd say.

Re: What Happens When You Taunt 4Chan: Story of Lacey Vicich

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I remember when this started happening, something trickled over to Reddit and so I investigated to get the full story. Needless to say, it was rather quite horrible and I really did feel for the girl. At the same time, I was utterly confused as to why on earth she tried to poke a hornets nest... It's a shame that people are still trying to ruin her life more. It's almost like some people think if something is done ov…

The good news is Anonymous, representing the hive mind of the most primitive human desires before they've been filtered out by one's conscience, has a set attention span. They will eventually stop in about a week or two. It will get old to them and they'll move on.

I would bet their attention span is more like a power law distribution. While the vast majority will taper off over a couple of weeks, the long tail will be there to make sure the victim gets whats coming for an "appropriate" amount of time.

My assumption is that it is just like "real life" where something might be big drama in the family for a week or two. After that, only one or two people will still talk about it, but they will continue to talk about it years later.

I would love to see some actual data on this.

Re: What Happens When You Taunt 4Chan: Story of Lacey Vicich

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post #34

I remember when this started happening, something trickled over to Reddit and so I investigated to get the full story. Needless to say, it was rather quite horrible and I really did feel for the girl. At the same time, I was utterly confused as to why on earth she tried to poke a hornets nest... It's a shame that people are still trying to ruin her life more. It's almost like some people think if something is done ov…

I hope the people who harass her are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. The fact is, sometimes hornets' nests need poking, not because of the hornets that will fly out and sting you, but so an exterminator will notice the nest and remove it shortly. While I question her motives (linking to a porn site of herself didn't exactly help) this really shows the dark side of the internet yet again.

Exactly. They're giving anonymity a pretty bad name.
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