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simpaticoder wrote: post #59
vzaliva wrote: post #40

The idea of Framework laptops sounds great! But I’m wondering: has anyone done an economic analysis comparing buying a Framework laptop a few years ago and gradually upgrading it, versus buying a similar popular brand laptop and just upgrading by getting a new model? I’m not trolling, I’m genuinely considering Framework as my next laptop.

I have a 1st gen Framework 13, Intel 11th gen CPU, running Ubuntu 24. It had a faulty design around the BIOS battery on the motherboard that I had to fix, and do some soldering on[1]. It's remarkable because they didn't say "Send the laptop in and we'll fix the design defect" they said, "First take a photo of the inside of the laptop to verify the serial number, then place an order, then do the repair yourself." This…

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Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by rustyminnow »

soperj wrote: post #53
Deuter8 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I literally just want a touchpad with buttons. These new 'clickpads' are the bane of my existence. They are so much slower, and certain workflows are impossible. I must use an external mouse now with modern laptops. Why can no laptop manufacturer even make this an option ?

Thinkpads still have buttons. I don't ever use the trackpad, just the nub and buttons.

I would be all in on the nub if mine didn't have such terrible drift. Trackpad with top buttons beats any other trackpad though.

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Post by Deuter8 »

miloignis wrote: post #46
vzaliva wrote: post #40

The idea of Framework laptops sounds great! But I’m wondering: has anyone done an economic analysis comparing buying a Framework laptop a few years ago and gradually upgrading it, versus buying a similar popular brand laptop and just upgrading by getting a new model? I’m not trolling, I’m genuinely considering Framework as my next laptop.

Another consideration that has really come true for me is repairs - I accidentally spilled a bottle of gin over my framework and was able to only replace the main board for under half the cost of a brand new machine. I'm very happy with my framework!

We can admire Framework's commitment to repairable hardware without pretending that it's unique. I spilled my drink of choice on my Alienware X17 and was able to replace the keyboard for $100 from AliExpress armed only with a Phillips head.

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Post by lushy-typeable »

Hopefully this will be taken more seriously in the gaming laptop/productivity market. I'm really glad there's a properly repairable, relatively open high performance laptop.

Is there any plans or similar for a 14in GPU enabled (with a decent TGP) laptop? I got a 14in laptop recently and find it very good for a power/perforamnce tradeoff (ASUS G14 or Razer Blade 14). Not to mention the amazing battery life.

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Post by rootnod3 »

Deuter8 wrote: post #6
nrp wrote: post #4

I'm happy to answer questions around the new product.

I literally just want a touchpad with buttons. These new 'clickpads' are the bane of my existence. They are so much slower, and certain workflows are impossible. I must use an external mouse now with modern laptops. Why can no laptop manufacturer even make this an option ?

I feel you. An option with a trackpoint would be a dream.

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Post by NoboruWataya »

kombine wrote: post #69

I love the modularity, but unlike the 13" version this one is just too bulky. For this reason I am eyeing up Thinkpad P1, even though it is only available with an Intel CPU.

Do you mean it's bulky even compared to other 16" laptops, or just that a 16" laptop is too bulky for you? Because I know they're not for everyone but I like larger laptops (am currently on 15.6") and was pleasantly surprised when they came out with the 16" as I thought the trend was generally towards smaller laptops.

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Post by panzerboiler »

jayd16 wrote: post #47
iknowstuff wrote: post #32

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I’ve never missed having buttons on the macbook trackpad lol How are they slower/impossible?

I assume some gestures are simply not possible. Like click-to-drag and scroll simultaneously. Not every app handles gutter-hover-to-scroll in a usable way. On a mouse or a pad with buttons, you can keep the left click held down and scroll with the wheel or gesture. Uni-pads make this impossible.

You assume it wrong. You can click-to-drag and scroll simultaneously without issues on an Apple trackpad.

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Post by kibwen »

ksec wrote: post #41
iknowstuff wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve never missed having buttons on the macbook trackpad lol How are they slower/impossible?

Problem is none of the trackpad on PC are as good as the Apple trackpad

Hardware-wise, no, I've had plenty of PC trackpads that are better than Apple trackpads. But MacOS tends to have better built-in support for advanced gestures, which seem to be impossible on Windows and must be manually configured on Linux (but gives you enormous power once you do).

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Post by bee_rider »

moelf wrote: post #45
vzaliva wrote: post #40

The idea of Framework laptops sounds great! But I’m wondering: has anyone done an economic analysis comparing buying a Framework laptop a few years ago and gradually upgrading it, versus buying a similar popular brand laptop and just upgrading by getting a new model? I’m not trolling, I’m genuinely considering Framework as my next laptop.

I think a large economic value also comes from repair-ability. If nothing ever breaks (until battery dies), I don't think anyone can compete with entry level MacBook in terms of experience/price.

Apple is impossible to compare against in the sense that MacOS is a giant question-mark, with an unknown positive or negative value, depending on the user.

I guess we could do an apples-to-apples comparison (Linux or Windows performance on Macs that have it). Not sure how that works out, though.

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