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What Happens When You Taunt 4Chan: Story of Lacey Vicich

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Re: What Happens When You Taunt 4Chan: Story of Lacey Vicich

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without looking too much into this... she runs a porn channel, has an understanding of how /b/ works, and is now getting a ton of publicity? am I missing a detail here or is she getting exactly what she wants

I think she was looking for the extra attention, but accidentally overstepped that threshold, and is now neck-deep in shit.

She's not coming out of this with a net gain.

Re: What Happens When You Taunt 4Chan: Story of Lacey Vicich

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Spoken like someone who has never been slut-shamed. Or had his/her leg blown off by a landmine. People don't actually get maimed because they stupidly walked into a minefield. They get maimed because someone put a minefield where they live and grew up, and they can't live life at all without being in constant danger. Women don't get slut-shamed because they did something to deserve it, they get slut-shamed because th…

>Spoken like someone who has never been slut-shamed. Or had his/her leg blown off by a landmine. Lord knows it ain't easy being a slutty amputee.

But wouldn't it be awesome if one showed up and made an insightful contribution to the conversation?

If I were a woman who had lost a limb in combat and had had a higher than average number of boyfriends, I think I would probably feel quite insulted that people were assuming I was unable to reason logically about the OP's premise.

Re: What Happens When You Taunt 4Chan: Story of Lacey Vicich

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You are conflating two independent ideas: was it wise to behave as she did, and was 4chan's response OK. The answer to both is "no". It was unwise for her to do what she did, but that does not justify the response. Don't accuse people of blaming the victim for pointing out her unwise behavior. If I go for a walk in a minefield, it sucks that my leg got blown off...but I could have perhaps exercised better judgment re…

Spoken like someone who has never been slut-shamed. Or had his/her leg blown off by a landmine. People don't actually get maimed because they stupidly walked into a minefield. They get maimed because someone put a minefield where they live and grew up, and they can't live life at all without being in constant danger. Women don't get slut-shamed because they did something to deserve it, they get slut-shamed because th…

I don't buy the landmine analogy because she didn't "walk into" this situation by happenstance.

Imagine a woman (or a man) who is sexually assaulted after deliberately entering a prison reserved for violent sex offenders and intentionally provoking the inmates. The offenders have committed a reprehensible crime. Still, the victim is responsible for taking on an obvious risk.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grizzly_Man

I have sympathy for the Grizzly Man but more for the average bear attack victim.

Re: What Happens When You Taunt 4Chan: Story of Lacey Vicich

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I remember when this started happening, something trickled over to Reddit and so I investigated to get the full story. Needless to say, it was rather quite horrible and I really did feel for the girl. At the same time, I was utterly confused as to why on earth she tried to poke a hornets nest... It's a shame that people are still trying to ruin her life more. It's almost like some people think if something is done ov…

I didn't feel bad for Timothy Treadwell when he got eaten by a grizzly bear as covered in the film, Grizzly Man. It was almost expected given his actions.

Re: What Happens When You Taunt 4Chan: Story of Lacey Vicich

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I remember when this started happening, something trickled over to Reddit and so I investigated to get the full story. Needless to say, it was rather quite horrible and I really did feel for the girl. At the same time, I was utterly confused as to why on earth she tried to poke a hornets nest... It's a shame that people are still trying to ruin her life more. It's almost like some people think if something is done ov…

I didn't feel bad for Timothy Treadwell when he got eaten by a grizzly bear as covered in the film, Grizzly Man. It was almost expected given his actions.

I felt bad for him, but not surprised at the outcome. But when grizzly bears ate Timothy Treadwell, they were not deliberately trying to be malicious, at least as far as we know.

Re: What Happens When You Taunt 4Chan: Story of Lacey Vicich

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"I think I will poke this bear with this pointed stick I'm holding ... what could go wrong?" Not defending 4Chan here but, wow, this is "walking alone in the bad part of town at midnight" type of stupid.

That's not even dangerously close to blaming the victim; that is blaming the victim.

Please, take that feminist rapeculture nonsense out of here. Nobody is holding her responsible for all she's going through and nobody is the blame but the anonymous people on /b/. But she really should have known better.

It's interesting how quick people jump on shaming the victim blamers when it's a women being harassed but nobody is there to reassure me it is not my fault when I stick my hand in boiling water.

You people seem to not be able to make the distinction between deserving something unpleasant and getting what's coming to them. She absolutely didn't deserve what happened to her but she did provoke it.

Re: What Happens When You Taunt 4Chan: Story of Lacey Vicich

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Spoken like someone who has never been slut-shamed. Or had his/her leg blown off by a landmine. People don't actually get maimed because they stupidly walked into a minefield. They get maimed because someone put a minefield where they live and grew up, and they can't live life at all without being in constant danger. Women don't get slut-shamed because they did something to deserve it, they get slut-shamed because th…

Spoken like someone who has never been slut-shamed. Classic ad hominem. People don't actually get maimed because they stupidly walked into a minefield. The operative term here is 'hypothetical analogy'. By insisting on the accuracy of the morbidity statistics of real-world minefields you're intentionally confusing the point and trying to derail the discussion.

I don't know. The only rail I see in this discussion is "wow, she should have known better." Nothing about how pathological the response was, nothing about the culture that encourages that community to retaliate with such vengeance and mirth. All of that is in the story, and in the background, but we're not talking about that... we're talking about whether or not she should have known better. That's the rail.

Re: What Happens When You Taunt 4Chan: Story of Lacey Vicich

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How did you go from "bears have no moral responsibility" to "it's okay to shoot bears"?

Well, it's not a direct causal connection -- that's how we use "and" in English -- but basically, moral responsibility is commutative. Bears don't have a responsibility towards us: they're bears, they don't realize it's wrong to eat hikers. And accordingly, we don't have a responsibility towards bears: If there's a bear that's eating hikers, we don't try to have a conversation with it, we shoot it and move on.

That's a ridiculous example, and in fact it proves the opposite.

Notice that we only shoot bears that are actually eating hikers, even though no bear actually have moral responsibility toward us; that's because we as a society do feel moral responsibility towards bears (and animals in general), and therefore avoid shooting them except when required.

We certainly don't feel anywhere near the same moral responsibility towards animals as we do towards people, but we feel some. And as society becomes less religious, that'll tend to increase.

Re: What Happens When You Taunt 4Chan: Story of Lacey Vicich

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I remember when this started happening, something trickled over to Reddit and so I investigated to get the full story. Needless to say, it was rather quite horrible and I really did feel for the girl. At the same time, I was utterly confused as to why on earth she tried to poke a hornets nest... It's a shame that people are still trying to ruin her life more. It's almost like some people think if something is done ov…

The good news is Anonymous, representing the hive mind of the most primitive human desires before they've been filtered out by one's conscience, has a set attention span. They will eventually stop in about a week or two. It will get old to them and they'll move on.
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