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Re: What Happens When You Taunt 4Chan: Story of Lacey Vicich

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Post by eurleif »

insane_man wrote: post #24
sharkweek wrote: post #20

without looking too much into this... she runs a porn channel, has an understanding of how /b/ works, and is now getting a ton of publicity? am I missing a detail here or is she getting exactly what she wants

True, this isn't 14 yr old Jessi Slaughter. However, spreading her paid porn videos around for free must make a dent in all of this. I don't know if the publicity will be worth it if they're desecrating graves now.

She might be hoping to make money by exchanging messages with people (MyGirlFund charges for that), or by doing live webcam sessions. The free videos might help as marketing for that

Re: What Happens When You Taunt 4Chan: Story of Lacey Vicich

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Post by wam »

nathanb wrote: post #15
kaonashi wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not even dangerously close to blaming the victim; that is blaming the victim.

You are conflating two independent ideas: was it wise to behave as she did, and was 4chan's response OK. The answer to both is "no". It was unwise for her to do what she did, but that does not justify the response. Don't accuse people of blaming the victim for pointing out her unwise behavior. If I go for a walk in a minefield, it sucks that my leg got blown off...but I could have perhaps exercised better judgment re…

Spoken like someone who has never been slut-shamed. Or had his/her leg blown off by a landmine. People don't actually get maimed because they stupidly walked into a minefield. They get maimed because someone put a minefield where they live and grew up, and they can't live life at all without being in constant danger. Women don't get slut-shamed because they did something to deserve it, they get slut-shamed because they live in a culture where our first reaction to anything having to do with women and harassment is to look for a reason why she had it coming.

Someone doesn't have to say "I blame the victim" to blame the victim. Usually what they say is something along the lines of "I'm not blaming her, but..."

Re: What Happens When You Taunt 4Chan: Story of Lacey Vicich

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Post by Cushman »

buu700 wrote: post #26
Cushman wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, I kind of like this analogy. If 4chan are bears, that means they don't have any moral responsibility, and it's okay to shoot them.

How did you go from "bears have no moral responsibility" to "it's okay to shoot bears"?

Well, it's not a direct causal connection -- that's how we use "and" in English -- but basically, moral responsibility is commutative.

Bears don't have a responsibility towards us: they're bears, they don't realize it's wrong to eat hikers. And accordingly, we don't have a responsibility towards bears: If there's a bear that's eating hikers, we don't try to have a conversation with it, we shoot it and move on.

Re: What Happens When You Taunt 4Chan: Story of Lacey Vicich

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Post by veb »

I remember when this started happening, something trickled over to Reddit and so I investigated to get the full story.

Needless to say, it was rather quite horrible and I really did feel for the girl. At the same time, I was utterly confused as to why on earth she tried to poke a hornets nest...

It's a shame that people are still trying to ruin her life more. It's almost like some people think if something is done over a computer, it's not "real".

Re: What Happens When You Taunt 4Chan: Story of Lacey Vicich

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Post by awj »

wam wrote: post #32
nathanb wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are conflating two independent ideas: was it wise to behave as she did, and was 4chan's response OK. The answer to both is "no". It was unwise for her to do what she did, but that does not justify the response. Don't accuse people of blaming the victim for pointing out her unwise behavior. If I go for a walk in a minefield, it sucks that my leg got blown off...but I could have perhaps exercised better judgment re…

Spoken like someone who has never been slut-shamed. Or had his/her leg blown off by a landmine. People don't actually get maimed because they stupidly walked into a minefield. They get maimed because someone put a minefield where they live and grew up, and they can't live life at all without being in constant danger. Women don't get slut-shamed because they did something to deserve it, they get slut-shamed because th…

...how again is someone who (according to the article) has been part of 4chan for some time fundamentally incapable of poking that particular bear?

I understand and agree with your logic (at least so far as "judging people for their participation in unavoidable situations is wrong" summarizes it), but I don't think it applies here.

Re: What Happens When You Taunt 4Chan: Story of Lacey Vicich

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Post by commandar »

wam wrote: post #32
nathanb wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are conflating two independent ideas: was it wise to behave as she did, and was 4chan's response OK. The answer to both is "no". It was unwise for her to do what she did, but that does not justify the response. Don't accuse people of blaming the victim for pointing out her unwise behavior. If I go for a walk in a minefield, it sucks that my leg got blown off...but I could have perhaps exercised better judgment re…

Spoken like someone who has never been slut-shamed. Or had his/her leg blown off by a landmine. People don't actually get maimed because they stupidly walked into a minefield. They get maimed because someone put a minefield where they live and grew up, and they can't live life at all without being in constant danger. Women don't get slut-shamed because they did something to deserve it, they get slut-shamed because th…

In this case, I think it's kind of a stretch to suggest the victim doesn't hold some level of culpability.

She wasn't randomly targeted just for going about her business; she was targeted because she repeatedly posted calling /b/ "fags," "jits," "[/b] ain't shit," etc.

Suggesting that she doesn't have any responsibility for what happened doesn't make any more sense to me than condoning how /b/ responded.

Re: What Happens When You Taunt 4Chan: Story of Lacey Vicich

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Post by mcantelon »

wam wrote: post #32
nathanb wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are conflating two independent ideas: was it wise to behave as she did, and was 4chan's response OK. The answer to both is "no". It was unwise for her to do what she did, but that does not justify the response. Don't accuse people of blaming the victim for pointing out her unwise behavior. If I go for a walk in a minefield, it sucks that my leg got blown off...but I could have perhaps exercised better judgment re…

Spoken like someone who has never been slut-shamed. Or had his/her leg blown off by a landmine. People don't actually get maimed because they stupidly walked into a minefield. They get maimed because someone put a minefield where they live and grew up, and they can't live life at all without being in constant danger. Women don't get slut-shamed because they did something to deserve it, they get slut-shamed because th…

>Spoken like someone who has never been slut-shamed. Or had his/her leg blown off by a landmine.

Lord knows it ain't easy being a slutty amputee.

Re: What Happens When You Taunt 4Chan: Story of Lacey Vicich

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Post by marshray »

wam wrote: post #32
nathanb wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are conflating two independent ideas: was it wise to behave as she did, and was 4chan's response OK. The answer to both is "no". It was unwise for her to do what she did, but that does not justify the response. Don't accuse people of blaming the victim for pointing out her unwise behavior. If I go for a walk in a minefield, it sucks that my leg got blown off...but I could have perhaps exercised better judgment re…

Spoken like someone who has never been slut-shamed. Or had his/her leg blown off by a landmine. People don't actually get maimed because they stupidly walked into a minefield. They get maimed because someone put a minefield where they live and grew up, and they can't live life at all without being in constant danger. Women don't get slut-shamed because they did something to deserve it, they get slut-shamed because th…

Spoken like someone who has never been slut-shamed.

Classic ad hominem.

People don't actually get maimed because they stupidly walked into a minefield.

The operative term here is 'hypothetical analogy'. By insisting on the accuracy of the morbidity statistics of real-world minefields you're intentionally confusing the point and trying to derail the discussion.

Re: What Happens When You Taunt 4Chan: Story of Lacey Vicich

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Post by andreasvc »

Cushman wrote: post #33
buu700 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How did you go from "bears have no moral responsibility" to "it's okay to shoot bears"?

Well, it's not a direct causal connection -- that's how we use "and" in English -- but basically, moral responsibility is commutative. Bears don't have a responsibility towards us: they're bears, they don't realize it's wrong to eat hikers. And accordingly, we don't have a responsibility towards bears: If there's a bear that's eating hikers, we don't try to have a conversation with it, we shoot it and move on.

> moral responsibility is commutative

That's nonsense. A baby doesn't know right from wrong, but parents are obliged to care for it. Just because a bear doesn't have responsibility doesn't mean we can shoot it wily-nily, there has to be some justification such as in the example you mention. And commutativity is a property of operations, you probably meant that moral responsibility is a symmetric relation.

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