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Do I not like Ruby anymore? (2024)

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Re: Do I not like Ruby anymore? (2024)

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Post by austinjp »

themafia wrote: post #36
theshrike79 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LSP (Language Server Protocol) was the final nail in the coffin of Emacs for me. VSCode was "good enough" for pretty much every language with LSP at that point, I did't even bother with Jetbrains ides outside of work after that. And when Obsidian replaced org-mode for me, I deleted my .emacs directory from my dotfiles repository.

> LSP (Language Server Protocol) was the final nail in the coffin of Emacs for me. It was the opposite for me. Emacs + LSP + many other common conveniences all bind together so beautifully and efficiently that I can't imagine using any other IDE at this point.

Indeed. I'm a long time Emacs user (emacs-nox in the terminal). After spending a day getting LSP and eglot working, I'm loving the "IDE" experience. Reliable indentation, auto-complete, intelligent var renaming, real-time(ish) warnings and error messages, etc, all the good stuff. I'd been ignoring IDE features in Emacs for years, thinking I didn't need them, but I have to admit they're a luxury I don't want to give up.

Re: Do I not like Ruby anymore? (2024)

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Post by hecturchi »

nromiun wrote: post #50

> Python is not my favorite programming language. In fact, allow me to drop the euphemism and express my pure, unadulterated thoughts about it: I never liked Python, I see it as a huge red flag and I think the world would be a better place if we all decided to finally move on from it. Why do people make hating a tool their entire personality? I have noticed this same thing with languages like Go ("oh no Go still bad"…

For internet points!

Re: Do I not like Ruby anymore? (2024)

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Post by Daishiman »

benrutter wrote: post #30

I'm a python developer, and a big fan of the features with gradual typing etc. This article really highlights for me though, how python has very much changed from the language it was even 5 years ago. Initially, the celebrated feature of python was that it allowed easy and fast development for newcomers. There was a joke a long the lines, "I learned python, it was a great weekend". As much as I like python's type sys…

All due respect but Typer looks like the kind of library that you want to use after your CLI has enough args that you wouldn't be able to get away with the sort of "Hello World" simplicity that you pine for.

Nobody's stopping you from manually parsing a couple of arguments. I still do it all the time and it's OK. If anything the magic of gradual typing is that you get to use it as necessity arises.

Re: Do I not like Ruby anymore? (2024)

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Post by lofties »

benrutter wrote: post #30

I'm a python developer, and a big fan of the features with gradual typing etc. This article really highlights for me though, how python has very much changed from the language it was even 5 years ago. Initially, the celebrated feature of python was that it allowed easy and fast development for newcomers. There was a joke a long the lines, "I learned python, it was a great weekend". As much as I like python's type sys…

Personally, I would absolutely not mind it if Python made type annotations required.

Re: Do I not like Ruby anymore? (2024)

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Post by ghc »

devoutsalsa wrote: post #41
wewewedxfgdf wrote: post #12

It's the never ending "end"s that bother me about Ruby. class Mess def chaos(x) if x > 0 [1,2,3].each do |i| case i when 1 if i.odd? puts "odd" else puts "even" end when 2 begin puts "trying" rescue puts "failed" end else puts "other" end end else puts "negative" end end end Clear away all those ends and the program logic pops out. Much fresher! class Mess: def chaos(self, x): if x > 0: for i in [1, 2, 3]: match i: c…

I'd love Python if it weren't for whitespace. I wanna cut/paste code into a REPL, and Python makes that difficult.

I find that the IPython REPL has downright amazing multiline support. I've always been envious of it when using GHCI. But even the standard Python REPL supports multiline paste just fine. So what exactly are you talking about? Rolling your own?

Re: Do I not like Ruby anymore? (2024)

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Post by blubber »

benrutter wrote: post #30

I'm a python developer, and a big fan of the features with gradual typing etc. This article really highlights for me though, how python has very much changed from the language it was even 5 years ago. Initially, the celebrated feature of python was that it allowed easy and fast development for newcomers. There was a joke a long the lines, "I learned python, it was a great weekend". As much as I like python's type sys…

You're going to love the equivalent Haskell example.

Re: Do I not like Ruby anymore? (2024)

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Post by k__ »

nromiun wrote: post #50

> Python is not my favorite programming language. In fact, allow me to drop the euphemism and express my pure, unadulterated thoughts about it: I never liked Python, I see it as a huge red flag and I think the world would be a better place if we all decided to finally move on from it. Why do people make hating a tool their entire personality? I have noticed this same thing with languages like Go ("oh no Go still bad"…

Especially strong from someone using Ruby, which is basically Hipster-Python.

/s

Re: Do I not like Ruby anymore? (2024)

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Post by wewewedxfgdf »

devoutsalsa wrote: post #41
wewewedxfgdf wrote: post #12

It's the never ending "end"s that bother me about Ruby. class Mess def chaos(x) if x > 0 [1,2,3].each do |i| case i when 1 if i.odd? puts "odd" else puts "even" end when 2 begin puts "trying" rescue puts "failed" end else puts "other" end end else puts "negative" end end end Clear away all those ends and the program logic pops out. Much fresher! class Mess: def chaos(self, x): if x > 0: for i in [1, 2, 3]: match i: c…

I'd love Python if it weren't for whitespace. I wanna cut/paste code into a REPL, and Python makes that difficult.

But the previous commenter just improved the Ruby code by adding whitespace!

Re: Do I not like Ruby anymore? (2024)

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Post by wraptile »

benrutter wrote: post #30

I'm a python developer, and a big fan of the features with gradual typing etc. This article really highlights for me though, how python has very much changed from the language it was even 5 years ago. Initially, the celebrated feature of python was that it allowed easy and fast development for newcomers. There was a joke a long the lines, "I learned python, it was a great weekend". As much as I like python's type sys…

Agree but fortunately Python's types are entirely optional!

I'm very familiar with pyright and still I start most of my new projects without types and start sprinkling them in once I have a good base working already. This works so well that every time I pick up a static language I just get turned off by the friction of mandatory types and go back to Python. The only exception is Typescript where I can just Any everything temporarily as well.

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