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Re: Omarchy Is Out

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Post by pavel_lishin »

> I don't know when we'll literally get "The Year of Linux on the Desktop"

Not for as long as we keep telling people that the best software is like this:

> Because I do think that Hyprland deserves its reputation of being difficult! Not because the core tiling window manager is hard, but because it comes incredibly bare-boned in the box. You have to figure out everything yourself. Even how to get a lock screen or idle timing or a menu bar or bluetooth setting or... you get the idea.

My mom just bought a replacement Windows laptop, and even that needs some gentle prodding before it can be used by a regular human person - and that's only gentle because we told her that she should buy the Professional version of Windows, and not the adware-riddled Home one.

I guess as long as we assume that the Year of Linux on the Desktop has arrived when a slightly higher percentage of nerds who are happy to endlessly tinker with settings adopts it as their daily driver, then sure. It's any day now.

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Post by whimsicalism »

ximm wrote: post #35

Last time I checked hyprland was pretty much despised in the wider linux developer community. See for example https://drewdevault.com/2023/09/17/Hyprland-toxicity.html . Has anything about that changed?

i don’t care, hyprland is great software and much better than whatever the ‘non-toxic as labeled by drew devault’ communities have come up with for WMs

Re: Omarchy Is Out

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Post by sroerick »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #71

> I don't know when we'll literally get "The Year of Linux on the Desktop" Not for as long as we keep telling people that the best software is like this: > Because I do think that Hyprland deserves its reputation of being difficult! Not because the core tiling window manager is hard, but because it comes incredibly bare-boned in the box. You have to figure out everything yourself. Even how to get a lock screen or idl…

There's also Omikub or any of the other "user friendly" distros.

Hyprland is definitely a power user environment. And I think that's okay.

There have been great "user friendly" distros for decades, and in the last 5-10 years they've gotten very good, but I think everybody is a little surprised to find that the thing that is actually drawing thousands of new linux desktop users is hyprland, an awesome tiling window experience, and ricing.

Steam goes a long way too

Re: Omarchy Is Out

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Post by sroerick »

mxuribe wrote: post #36
jeswin wrote: post #32

The world needs people like DHH. When he saw issues with the Apple ecosystem, decides to make useful, well thought-out tooling for helping developers adopt Linux. When he saw how expensive the cloud can be, goes on to build open source tooling for deploying on bare-metal servers. Both have been successful. Not just blog posts. Blog posts followed by hard work to fix the problem.

I don't know DHH personally, but seeing what he did by introducing ruby on rails, plus listening to his thoughts via the rework podcast, also reading about his company's move away from the hyperscaler cloud providers, and now both the omakube and omarchy offerings...yeah, we need more folks (with his kind of fame of sorts) to help others as well.

I just watched the Rails 8 presentation, and was tremendously impressed. It made me wish I was a Rails dev. The philosophy of a framework designed for a lone developer to deploy extremely quickly is very cool.

Re: Omarchy Is Out

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Post by wing-_-nuts »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #71

> I don't know when we'll literally get "The Year of Linux on the Desktop" Not for as long as we keep telling people that the best software is like this: > Because I do think that Hyprland deserves its reputation of being difficult! Not because the core tiling window manager is hard, but because it comes incredibly bare-boned in the box. You have to figure out everything yourself. Even how to get a lock screen or idl…

>she should buy the Professional version of Windows, and not the adware-riddled Home one

Interesting and disappointing. When I googled the difference between the two versions I only came up with the fact that one supported disk encryption (which I didn't really feel was necessary for a desktop)

I would have loved a stripped down install of windows without all the bloat, but the only option I knew of was the LTSC version which is supposedly janky for gaming

Re: Omarchy Is Out

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Post by sroerick »

umbra07 wrote: post #66
yewenjie wrote: post #4

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Nix is not competition. Nix is not attracting thousands and thousands of new, young Linux users and potential future contributors like Arch+Hyprland are.

Nix seems really cool, and I'd like to explore it. I'm spending more time with OpenBSD right now as that approach just seems simpler. I use Artix and hyprland at home though. It's a better desktop experience, I think. The only reason I'd use OpenBSD or NixOS in the desktop would be to try and learn it more so I was more comfortable in deployment.

Re: Omarchy Is Out

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

porridgeraisin wrote: post #25
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I really want, but don't have the technical skill to write unfortunately:), is a window manager or compositor that lets me set the size of a window and the viewport into that window independently. That is, formalize the approach that yes this window is rendering as if it was taking up half the screen but I only need to actually see this tiny slice of it, so just give me a window that shows that piece

This should be possible on X11 using standard extensions. XCompositeRedirectWindow to render your window to a virtual buffer, get pixmap, bind pixmap to new croppedWindow as a GL texture, here apply a crop transform. Then optionally unmap original window. Finally, we have to remap input events. This is trivial browser-style event interception, XSelectInput, change x,y, XSendEvent. I can try to make it work sometime t…

> On the other hand, the Great Wayland Security Theater probably doesn't admit such riff-raff.

I'm pretty sure it's doable, but it probably does need to be baked into the compositor. But since there are compositors that can do full immersive 3D environments with windows moving around in them, I can't believe that there's any manipulation of the contents of a window that you can't do in Wayland.

Of course, being able to add it as tiny helper program is probably something that's going to be specific to X11, or possibly (best case) require non-portable APIs that are specific to individual compositors in Wayland.

Re: Omarchy Is Out

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Post by abhinavk »

nickjj wrote: post #34
siliconc0w wrote: post #8

I might be in the minority but I actually like overlapping windows - often the entire window is not necessary to get the data I am interested in. Right now I'm running tests in another window and I have a sliver of that window visible while the majority of the screen real-estate gets used for the browser in primary window.

I'm beginning to really like scrolling window managers. It's optimized for minimal splits (let's say 2-3 windows) per view but it makes it effortless to flip between apps. Floating windows is also an option and making any of them full screen is available too. Imagine tiling a bunch of pieces of paper on your floor and now you want to focus on a few of them at a time. That's basically what a scrolling window manager a…

FYI: The author of Hyprland's scrolling plugin (not the official one) had archived it and instead forked sway to create scroll.

https://github.com/dawsers/scroll https://github.com/dawsers/hyprscroller

Re: Omarchy Is Out

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Post by sroerick »

indigodaddy wrote: post #16

I'm surprised the DHH cult hasn't latched on to projects like Bluefin instead of this. They are way better workflows for development imo. https://docs.projectbluefin.io/bluefin-dx/

Bluefin looks super interesting! But I'm personally on a "less cloud everywhere" kick. I'm running OpenBSD as a hobby machine because I want to get better at real UNIX administration, which seems like a lost art. So my gut feeling looking at bluefin is that separating the OS layer and the dev layer gets me farther away from bare metal, not closer, which is not what I want right now. But I'm totally open to the idea that it could offer a better experience, it's just that getting farther away from the core OS is not what I'm looking for right now.

That's why I really appreciate what DHH is doing both for desktop Linux and with Linux server deployment. I think there's a pretty comprehensive worldview in advocating for both of those technologies. Not sure if that makes me a cult member or what

Re: Omarchy Is Out

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Post by abhinavk »

01HNNWZ0MV43FF wrote: post #46
nickjj wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm beginning to really like scrolling window managers. It's optimized for minimal splits (let's say 2-3 windows) per view but it makes it effortless to flip between apps. Floating windows is also an option and making any of them full screen is available too. Imagine tiling a bunch of pieces of paper on your floor and now you want to focus on a few of them at a time. That's basically what a scrolling window manager a…

That sounds like exactly what I've wanted - Sort of like those blackboards / whiteboards that you can roll around. What's your favorite? Right now I'm on xfce and KDE as my daily drivers but I'll shop around next time I wanna shake things up

You can try Karousel on KDE.

Earlier concepts existed but it all exploded with PaperWM on Gnome.

There is niri, scroll(sway), papersway, hyprland's plugins, PaperWM, PaperWM.spoon on Mac, Komorebi on Windows etc

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