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Re: Omarchy Is Out

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Post by thomasfromcdnjs »

mrinterweb wrote: post #10
siliconc0w wrote: post #8

I might be in the minority but I actually like overlapping windows - often the entire window is not necessary to get the data I am interested in. Right now I'm running tests in another window and I have a sliver of that window visible while the majority of the screen real-estate gets used for the browser in primary window.

(CMD|CTRL)+TAB is all I usually all I need. I know this may sound wasteful considering that I have two eyes, but I have only ever been able to focus my eyes on a single thing at a time. I usually make the window take up the full window, and I just switch between windows. It is fast to do this. I tried multi-monitors, but it wasn't for me.

Same here, multiple monitors, overlapping windows has never worked for me. I don't need big monitors for the same reason. I also make sure to keep the number of things I have open to a minimum. Then simply tabbing or using a tiling manager like i3 (without using actual tiling) (they are just faster than running full desktops). It also means I can be productive with any setup anywhere e.g. a laptop

Re: Omarchy Is Out

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Post by hd4 »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #37
aidenn0 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hear Hyprland second only to Gnome in the NixOS world (where it's arguably easier to try different desktop environments compared to e.g. Ubuntu). Now it could just be that Hyprland users are more vocal than XFCE or plasma users, so it's not definitive, but it definitely has "buzz"

yes as an hyprland user, the community is definitely more vocal. I myself convinced one of my friends to use hyprland fedora as his first linux experience which is wild (I also use nixos too but I use nix plasma and arch hyprland, i mean I barely use nix, arch is my goto but you get my point) I agree it has buzz but its just cool open source software man, I like it. it isn't as plug n play even still as plasma or gno…

The reason it's wild is someone has managed to make a tiling WM that isn't just usable and nice, but actually created incredible hype around it, and made people want to give it a chance and switch away from something as entrenched as DEs. It's really a wondrous achievement, something the majority of the Linux community never thought could be done until it was.

Re: Omarchy Is Out

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Post by nickjj »

hd4 wrote: post #14

The real story with Omarchy is Hyprland. Feels like the first time the desktop Linux is not only fun but that there's a far better case being made for switching to desktop Linux over Windows, not only because of less resource usage, but also a new (old) paradigm in tiling windows, repackaged in a way that doesn't make people want to smash their computer. Hyprland itself comes with such nice defaults that it isn't sur…

Windows still has advantages for certain use cases, as much as I want to like Hyprland for everything.

For example, imagine this screencast recording set up:

    - You have a 4k monitor
    - You only want to record a 1920x1080 section of your screen (OBS can do this in both set ups)
    - You only want certain windows to appear in that 1920x1080 zone
    - You want other adhoc windows (notepad, etc.) floating around that recording zone
    - You want to easily be able to pick and flip between the apps in that 1920x1080 zone
On Windows this is quite possible and requires almost nothing to be done. You could install a tool like Sizer to resize and position windows into a specific spot and just drag / drop everything else around as needed. You could also optimize things with AHK to make it easier to only open apps in that zone.

With Hyprland this isn't as easy to pull off. A maintainer mentioned to me that I'd likely have to write a Hyprland plugin which would be C++. I'm not a C++ developer though.

I guess you could probably make a workable but not as good solution by hyprctl dispatching commands in a shell script to position specific windows into the zone and then have a notepad like app dedicated to always floating, but when you record hundreds of videos you want an optimized solution to the highest degree.

In Hyprland's defense I've only been using it for a few days but I saw nothing in their docs or the internet that would indicate there's features built into the tool to make this less painful.

If I could find a solution for this, I'd install it on my main machine.

Re: Omarchy Is Out

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Post by hd4 »

Spivak wrote: post #40
hd4 wrote: post #14

The real story with Omarchy is Hyprland. Feels like the first time the desktop Linux is not only fun but that there's a far better case being made for switching to desktop Linux over Windows, not only because of less resource usage, but also a new (old) paradigm in tiling windows, repackaged in a way that doesn't make people want to smash their computer. Hyprland itself comes with such nice defaults that it isn't sur…

Is Hyperland the thing that finally convinces hacker types that Wayland is the future? A Wayland compositor that gives you Xorg like scripting via a UNIX control socket, easy to set up, and is much much less opinionated than GNOME. So many of the criticisms of Wayland around the internet end up being things that Mutter doesn't let you control directly.

It's less a Wayland story imo and more a tiling WM story.

Re: Omarchy Is Out

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Post by torben-friis »

siliconc0w wrote: post #8

I might be in the minority but I actually like overlapping windows - often the entire window is not necessary to get the data I am interested in. Right now I'm running tests in another window and I have a sliver of that window visible while the majority of the screen real-estate gets used for the browser in primary window.

My only problem with tiling is that I usually have 2-3 apps tiled that are stable and a “gap” where I quickly pop things I only need momentarily (slack, an extra terminal, postman, whatever). I never managed that quick readjustment in tiling managers, maybe it was just lack of practice.

Also some seemed to interact badly with software that brought pop up windows/dialogs.

Re: Omarchy Is Out

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Post by 01HNNWZ0MV43FF »

nickjj wrote: post #34
siliconc0w wrote: post #8

I might be in the minority but I actually like overlapping windows - often the entire window is not necessary to get the data I am interested in. Right now I'm running tests in another window and I have a sliver of that window visible while the majority of the screen real-estate gets used for the browser in primary window.

I'm beginning to really like scrolling window managers. It's optimized for minimal splits (let's say 2-3 windows) per view but it makes it effortless to flip between apps. Floating windows is also an option and making any of them full screen is available too. Imagine tiling a bunch of pieces of paper on your floor and now you want to focus on a few of them at a time. That's basically what a scrolling window manager a…

That sounds like exactly what I've wanted - Sort of like those blackboards / whiteboards that you can roll around.

What's your favorite? Right now I'm on xfce and KDE as my daily drivers but I'll shop around next time I wanna shake things up

Re: Omarchy Is Out

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Post by Spivak »

hd4 wrote: post #44
Spivak wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is Hyperland the thing that finally convinces hacker types that Wayland is the future? A Wayland compositor that gives you Xorg like scripting via a UNIX control socket, easy to set up, and is much much less opinionated than GNOME. So many of the criticisms of Wayland around the internet end up being things that Mutter doesn't let you control directly.

It's less a Wayland story imo and more a tiling WM story.

Right! Which is my point. It's finally a "killer app." It's not a situation where the Wayland thing is technically better but to a user is essentially the same except new $limitations. Now there's a new cool trendy thing that happens to run on Wayland. Folks will want to make the switch to get the new shiny.

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Post by [deleted] »

browningstreet wrote: post #24
siliconc0w wrote: post #8

I might be in the minority but I actually like overlapping windows - often the entire window is not necessary to get the data I am interested in. Right now I'm running tests in another window and I have a sliver of that window visible while the majority of the screen real-estate gets used for the browser in primary window.

I have all my windows centered but pyramid stacked. I can see a bit of everything but my main browser is in the center. Slack is in the upper right, and the browser leaves a bit of the Slack screen open. I keep Obsidian in the lower left such that I can see the organization panel.. it helps me keep a mental map of the notes I'm working with. In the center are two Chrome browsers representing two separate profiles.. a…

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Re: Omarchy Is Out

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Post by ireadmevs »

nickjj wrote: post #43
hd4 wrote: post #14

The real story with Omarchy is Hyprland. Feels like the first time the desktop Linux is not only fun but that there's a far better case being made for switching to desktop Linux over Windows, not only because of less resource usage, but also a new (old) paradigm in tiling windows, repackaged in a way that doesn't make people want to smash their computer. Hyprland itself comes with such nice defaults that it isn't sur…

Windows still has advantages for certain use cases, as much as I want to like Hyprland for everything. For example, imagine this screencast recording set up: - You have a 4k monitor - You only want to record a 1920x1080 section of your screen (OBS can do this in both set ups) - You only want certain windows to appear in that 1920x1080 zone - You want other adhoc windows (notepad, etc.) floating around that recording…

I haven’t the tried Hyprland, but I use i3, which I assume it should be similar. I do this sort of thing quite often when presenting on zoom at work. Suppose I want to present only the top-left section of my screen, then I split vertically first and the left side I split horizontally. This other 2 zones I use to put other supporting windows and to search stuff out of screen. When I need to present more apps, i3 also allow you to stack windows in a specific zone. It’s quite easy to switch between all the windows and have full control of the layout.
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