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Re: I feel I am building a new Google Wave

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post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rizzoma allows communication within a certain context permitting a chat to instantly become a document where topics of a discussion organized into branches of mind-map diagram and minor details are collapsed to avoid distraction. Because we all know a person who's said to us at one point or another "I wish I had a way to have a chat instantly become a document where topics of discussion are organized into branches of…

I believe I know three people who have all said something almost identical to that a little over 10 years ago (I kid you not).

You must run with an interesting crowd! :-D

Re: I feel I am building a new Google Wave

#53

http://www.rizzoma.com is much better. The founder himself stayed at my place using airbnb this summer. I'm a YC alum. He has one of the most interesting founding stories I've ever heard. He is a Siberian-Kazakhstani hacking competition winner who knows Judo and runs a series of small businesses in Russia. Bars that partake in sportsbetting-all Legal. He designed the software as a way to manage his businesses with hi…

Completely different site with completely different philosophy. I prefer pivory.

For starters I wouldn't log in to a site like this using neither a Facebook account (which I have but it's full of bogus data) or a Google+ account (which I only have because they created it for me, which is when I deleted the little true info about me there).

Re: I feel I am building a new Google Wave

#55

http://www.rizzoma.com is much better. The founder himself stayed at my place using airbnb this summer. I'm a YC alum. He has one of the most interesting founding stories I've ever heard. He is a Siberian-Kazakhstani hacking competition winner who knows Judo and runs a series of small businesses in Russia. Bars that partake in sportsbetting-all Legal. He designed the software as a way to manage his businesses with hi…

That unjustified blanket statement and the tone of your comment just rub me the wrong way.

Who cares how amazingly, mind-blowingly awesome your buddy the founder of Rizzoma is? This thread is about another project, and it's not based on Wave. This is hardly the place where you should walz in and shill for something else without so much as a word about Pivory, let alone some constructive criticism of any kind.

Re: I feel I am building a new Google Wave

#56

http://www.rizzoma.com is much better. The founder himself stayed at my place using airbnb this summer. I'm a YC alum. He has one of the most interesting founding stories I've ever heard. He is a Siberian-Kazakhstani hacking competition winner who knows Judo and runs a series of small businesses in Russia. Bars that partake in sportsbetting-all Legal. He designed the software as a way to manage his businesses with hi…

How is it better? Rizzoma (wave) is so incredibly complicated I feel very overwhelmed when I visit the site. It's like stepping into a fighter jet cockpit.

Same experience here. I think compared to Ops site, Rizzoma is over-engineered out of the wazoo. Once you start adding features for everyone, their grandma and their dog, things are bound to get complicated. The Ops site is such a simple and a breath of fresh air.

Re: I feel I am building a new Google Wave

#59
This is great, I love the feel of this and the value it creates (which I'd describe as "live structured conversations").

Here's some suggestions, keep in mind these are essentially my personal opinions:

-Try putting some thought into making the functionality a little more intuitive, by this I mean to try and not necessitate having to hover too much to discover functionality. As a designer I know how difficult this is to do without spoiling aesthetics, so good luck (but I think you need to do this).

-Host this as a SaaS and make money, I image businesses would love to use this as a way to gather user feedback and talk to users.

-Categories would be nice. Right now it's just one "board" (in the traditional "online forum" sense where the set hierarchy is forum>board>thread>post). I'd find it cool if I could say visit a "sports" category, or a "Tech" category, and especially a "Hacker news" one. Think subreddits.

-The "navigation" is a little unintuitive, on the left column where it says "Threads", "Lists", "Users". When in threads mode, the other modes are listed underneath it, suggesting that they form a child relationship to Threads, whereas they're really siblings.

-I'd dispense with the little arrows under "Home" on the left column, and move the refresh button onto the same line as the Create and Home links/buttons. It doesn't really add anything. Up and down could be implemented using infinite scrolling and would be more intuitive. Left and right could be replaced by making aggregating all the different views ("My threads", "Users", "Replies", etc.) into a flyout or dropdown list, accessible by hovering the currently active mode title. This would also mean you could dispense with the 3 bottons on the bottom left next to the settings button.

-Speaking of that settings button, it doesn't have much to do with searching, instead I'd move it closer to the "user button", which you don't really have but will definitely need. Opening the user pane on the right, and then clicking the username to reveal "log out", etc. isn't easy to find.

-You probably don't need all the corner hovers, they don't really do anything useful IMHO.

-Fluid layout so it works well on mobile devices

-The reading mode is cool but you probably don't need it everywhere.

Good luck, I love the idea. Hope this goes somewhere.

Re: I feel I am building a new Google Wave

#60
Wow I'm speechless, this is wonderful. Going through the code, I see the widest spectrum of issues I hate about PHP in just these few files, yet the result is absolutely fascinating.

This a testament as to how the tool does not really matter in good hands.

This must be running on the custom-tailored C++ HTTP server, Ivory: https://github.com/cheshirecats/Ivory

Why did you feel the popular options don't cut it for your needs?

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