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Re: We put a coding agent in a while loop

#61
These people are weird. The blog post that inspired this has this weird iMessage screenshot, like a shitty investment grift facebook ad:

https://ghuntley.com/ralph/

Apparently one of the lucky few who learned this special technique from Geoff just completed a $50k contract for $297. But that's not all! Geoff is generous to share the special secret prompt that unlocked this unbelievable success, if only we subscribe to his newsletter! "This free-for-life offer won't last forever!"

I am sceptical.

Re: We put a coding agent in a while loop

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post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> After finishing the port, most of the agents settled for writing extra tests or continuously updating agent/TODO.md to clarify how "done" they were. In one instance, the agent actually used pkill to terminate itself after realizing it was stuck in an infinite loop. Is that... the first recorded instance of an AI committing suicide?

The AI doesn't have a self preservation instinct. It's not trying to stay alive. There is usually an end token that means the LLM is done talking. There has been research on tuning how often that is emitted to shorten or lengthen conversations. The current systems respond well to RL for adjusting conversation length. One of the providers (I think it was Anthropic) added some kind of token (or MCP tool?) for the AI to…

Sounds a lot like Mr. Meeseeks. I've never really thought about an LLM's only goal is to send tokens until it can finally stop.

Re: We put a coding agent in a while loop

#64
post #61

These people are weird. The blog post that inspired this has this weird iMessage screenshot, like a shitty investment grift facebook ad: https://ghuntley.com/ralph/ Apparently one of the lucky few who learned this special technique from Geoff just completed a $50k contract for $297. But that's not all! Geoff is generous to share the special secret prompt that unlocked this unbelievable success, if only we subscribe t…

I can't tell whether this "technique" is serious or a joke, and/or if it's some elaborate grift.

In any case, the writing style of that entire blog is off-putting. Gibberish from a massive ego.

Re: We put a coding agent in a while loop

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post #61

These people are weird. The blog post that inspired this has this weird iMessage screenshot, like a shitty investment grift facebook ad: https://ghuntley.com/ralph/ Apparently one of the lucky few who learned this special technique from Geoff just completed a $50k contract for $297. But that's not all! Geoff is generous to share the special secret prompt that unlocked this unbelievable success, if only we subscribe t…

https://archive.ph/goxZg

Re: We put a coding agent in a while loop

#68

There will be a a new kind of job for software engineers, sort of like a cross between working with legacy code and toxic site cleanup. Like back in the day being brought in to “just fix” a amalgam of FoxPro-, Excel-, and Access-based ERP that “mostly works” and only “occasionally corrupts all our data” that ambitious sales people put together over last 5 years. But worse - because “ambitious sales people” will no lo…

Superfund repos.

A lot of big open source repos need to be given the superfund treatment

Re: We put a coding agent in a while loop

#69

Starting to think of this quote more and more: "This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZuMe5RvxPQ&t=22s

The irony is that everyone did live through that business. So what youre saying is we will live through this too!

Are you feelin' lucky?

Re: We put a coding agent in a while loop

#70

There are always two major results from any software development process: a change in the code and a change in cognition for the people who wrote the code (whether they did so directly or with an LLM). Python and Typescript are elaborate formal languages that emerged from a lengthy process of development involving thousands of people around the world over many years. They are non-trivially different, and it's neat th…

There's a classic Peter Naur paper about this from 1985: "Programming as Theory Building"

https://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~remzi/Naur.pdf

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