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Turning Claude Code into my best design partner

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Re: Turning Claude Code into my best design partner

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Post by edg5000 »

Crowberry wrote: post #3

I’ve recently tried out Claude Code for a bit, I’ll make sure to give the suggested approach a go! It sounds like a nice workflow. But I’m negatively surprised with the amount of money CC costs. Just a simple refactoring cost me about 5min + 15min review and 4usd, had I done it myself it might have taken 15-20min as well. How much money do you typically spend on features using CC? Nobody seems to mention this

You either get the 20 EUR/m for Sonnet and 100 for Opus. I used Sonnet and switched to Opus eventually. But Sonnet was also good. For my purposes I don't run out of the token limits, although I can't speak for the future.

Re: Turning Claude Code into my best design partner

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Post by roessland »

k9294 wrote: post #9
scastiel wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, switching partially from Cursor to Claude Code increased the bill by a lot! Fortunately I use Claude Code mostly at work and I had no trouble to convince my boss to pay for it. But I’m still not sure how I’ll continue building side projects with Claude Code. Not sure I want to spend $20 each time I want to bootstrap an app in an evening just for fun…

Why not to subscribe to pro or max? I calculated my CC usage this month (I'm on a Max 200$ plan), it’s close to 2.5k$... Its just crazy to use API at price right now.

I wish I could, but they banned me and won't disclose why.

That being said, Claude Code produces the best code I've seen from an AI coding agent, and the subscriptions are a steal.

Re: Turning Claude Code into my best design partner

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Post by mprivat »

hetspookjee wrote: post #6

Over the last 2 weeks (evenings only) I've spend a lot of time crafting the "perfect prompt" for claude code to one shot the project. I ended up with a rather small CLAUDE.md file that references 8 other MD files, ranging from project_architecture, models_spec, build_sequence, test_hierarchy, test_scenarios, and some other files. It is a project for model based governance of Databricks Unity Catalog, with which I do…

That's pretty novel. What framework is actually running the agents in your experiment?

Re: Turning Claude Code into my best design partner

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Post by baq »

oblio wrote: post #16
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Projects using AI are the best documented and tested projects I worked on. They are well documented because you need context for the LLM to be performant. And they are well tested because the cost of producing test got lower since they can be half generated, while the benefit of having tests got higher, since they are guard rails for the machine. People constantly say code quality is going to plummet because of those…

I find it funny that we had to invent tools that will replace, say, 20%+ of developers out there to finally have developers to write docs :-))

The difference today is the docs are being read. In the before times, unless you were building a foundational library, docs would get updated when a presentation was needed to announce a great success, or maybe not even then. Nowadays if you want coding agents to be efficient, doc quality is paramount.

IOW there’s very clear ROI on docs today, it wasn’t so earlier.

Re: Turning Claude Code into my best design partner

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Post by dustingetz »

Crowberry wrote: post #3

I’ve recently tried out Claude Code for a bit, I’ll make sure to give the suggested approach a go! It sounds like a nice workflow. But I’m negatively surprised with the amount of money CC costs. Just a simple refactoring cost me about 5min + 15min review and 4usd, had I done it myself it might have taken 15-20min as well. How much money do you typically spend on features using CC? Nobody seems to mention this

the investor bull case in AI is to cannabalize the labor markets at 15% margin, so 1:1 labor:AI budget is where we are headed next - e.g. $100k/100k for a senior dev. The AI share will come out of dev budgets, so expect senior salaries to fall and team sizes to shrink by a lot if this stuff works. Remember we’re in the land grab phase, all subsidized by VCs, but we’re speed running through the stages as and this phase appears to be ending based on twitter VC sentiment. There’s only so many times you can raise another $500M for 9 months of operating cost at -100% gross margin.

Re: Turning Claude Code into my best design partner

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Post by unixhero »

actionfromafar wrote: post #19
m_fayer wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Long after we are all gone and the scrum masters are a barely remembered historical curiosity, there shall remain, humble and eternal, the waterfall model.

A waterfall, frozen, in time?

Well waterfall is how we built the old world. Piece by piece, module by module, roads, bridges, buildings, boats.

Re: Turning Claude Code into my best design partner

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Post by conradfr »

viraptor wrote: post #20
Crowberry wrote: post #3

I’ve recently tried out Claude Code for a bit, I’ll make sure to give the suggested approach a go! It sounds like a nice workflow. But I’m negatively surprised with the amount of money CC costs. Just a simple refactoring cost me about 5min + 15min review and 4usd, had I done it myself it might have taken 15-20min as well. How much money do you typically spend on features using CC? Nobody seems to mention this

> had I done it myself it might have taken 15-20min as well. Could you spend that 15-20min on some other task while this one works in the background?

Well the 15 minutes code review are still there.

Re: Turning Claude Code into my best design partner

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Post by hetspookjee »

mprivat wrote: post #23
hetspookjee wrote: post #6

Over the last 2 weeks (evenings only) I've spend a lot of time crafting the "perfect prompt" for claude code to one shot the project. I ended up with a rather small CLAUDE.md file that references 8 other MD files, ranging from project_architecture, models_spec, build_sequence, test_hierarchy, test_scenarios, and some other files. It is a project for model based governance of Databricks Unity Catalog, with which I do…

That's pretty novel. What framework is actually running the agents in your experiment?

Its just the auto generated sub-agents from Claude Code https://docs.anthropic.com/en/docs/claude-code/sub-agents

I plan to do a more detailed write down sometime next week or the week after when I've "finished" my 100% vibe coded website.

Re: Turning Claude Code into my best design partner

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Post by mattjenner »

This has been my experience with replit as well. It needs to use design docs as the source of task and truth, as it starts to crumble as the app size increases.

With OpenAI I find ChatGPT just slows to a crawl and the chat becomes unresponsive. Asking it to make a document, to import into a new chat, helps with that.

On a human level, it makes me think that we should do the same ourselves. Reflect, document and dump our ‘memory’ into a working design doc. To free up ourselves, as well as our LLMs.

Re: Turning Claude Code into my best design partner

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Post by oblio »

baq wrote: post #24
oblio wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it funny that we had to invent tools that will replace, say, 20%+ of developers out there to finally have developers to write docs :-))

The difference today is the docs are being read. In the before times, unless you were building a foundational library, docs would get updated when a presentation was needed to announce a great success, or maybe not even then. Nowadays if you want coding agents to be efficient, doc quality is paramount. IOW there’s very clear ROI on docs today, it wasn’t so earlier.

I guess also the opposite is true, if a developer wants job security, not writing docs (and writing obfuscated code) is still the way to go :-p
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