Little offtop: would someone remember mitchellh's setup for working with AI tools? I remember someone posted in an AI-hate-love threads here and it's not in the his blog[1] 1: https://mitchellh.com/writing
maybe one of these? https://x.com/mitchellh/status/1952905654458564932 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyQ4ZTS5dGw
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User-centric would be giving users choice. It really is that simple. Forcing something on people from a position of power is never in their favor.
I don’t think having a Reddit account is mandatory. As a user of Reddit, I think it’s cool, and also raises some concerns. I think most sites that handle user data are going to have rough edges. Making money off of user content is never without issues.
The nature of network effects is such that once a site gets as big as reddit (or facebook or tiktok or whichever), it's nearly impossible for competition to take over in the same design space.
Many communities (both small and large) are only present on specific platforms (sometimes only one) and if you want to participate you have to accept their terms or exclude yourself socially.
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We keep talking about “AI replacing coders,” but the real shift might be that coding itself stops looking like coding. If prompts become the de facto way to create applications/developing systems in the future, maybe programming languages will just be baggage we’ll need to unlearn. Programming languages were a nice abstraction to accommodate our inability to comprehend complexity - current day LLMs do not have the sa…
This fundamentally misunderstands why programming languages exist. They're not required because "we can't understand complexity". They were invented because we need a way to be very specific about what we want the machine to do. Whether it's the actual physical hardware we're talking to when writing assembly, or it's an abstract machine that will be translated to the hardware like in C or Java, the key point is that…
I believe it won’t be long before we have exceptional “programmers” who have mastered the art of vibe coding. If that does become the de facto standard for 80% programming done, then it’s not a long stretch from there that we might skip programming languages altogether. I’m simply suggesting that if you’re not going to examine the code, perhaps someone will eliminate that additional layer or step altogether, and we might be pleasantly surprised by the final result.
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I don’t think having a Reddit account is mandatory. As a user of Reddit, I think it’s cool, and also raises some concerns. I think most sites that handle user data are going to have rough edges. Making money off of user content is never without issues.
It's not about being mandatory. It's about having a privileged position and using it to extract value from people. The nature of network effects is such that once a site gets as big as reddit (or facebook or tiktok or whichever), it's nearly impossible for competition to take over in the same design space. Many communities (both small and large) are only present on specific platforms (sometimes only one) and if you w…
Most communities on Reddit that I’d care to be a part of have additional places to gather, but I do take your point that there are few good alternatives to r/jailbreak, for example.
The host always sets its own rules. How else could anything actually get done? The coordination problem is hard enough as it is. It’s a wonder that social media exists at all.
Gatekeepers will always exist adjacent to the point of entry, otherwise every site turns extremist and becomes overrun with scammers and spammers.
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No more so than regurgitating an entire book. While it could technically be possible in the case of certain repos that are ubiquitous on the internet (and therefore overrepresented in training data to the point that they are "regurgitated" verbatim, in whole), it is extremely unlikely and would only occur after deliberate prompting. The NYT suit against Open AI shows (in discovery) that the NYT was only able to get p…
> No more so than regurgitating an entire book. Like this? Meta's Llama 3.1 can recall 42 percent of the first Harry Potter book - https://news.ycombinator.com/context?id=44972296 - 67 days ago (313 comments)
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> No more so than regurgitating an entire book. Like this? Meta's Llama 3.1 can recall 42 percent of the first Harry Potter book - https://news.ycombinator.com/context?id=44972296 - 67 days ago (313 comments)
Yes, that is one of those works that is over-represented in the training data, as I explained in the part of the comment you clearly did not comprehend.
I comprehend it just fine, I was adding context for those who may not comprehend.
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That's nonsense. It's like feeling you need to disclose that your IDE has autocomplete. Nobody discloses that, since it's ridiculous. You only disclose that you used Claude Code if you are not certain of the result (e.g. you think it is correct, but the maintainer might be a better judge). If it's exactly the same as what you'd have written manually, and you are confident it works, then what's the point of disclosure…
It’s completely different from an IDE’s autocomplete because autocomplete in an IDE is only helping you type identifiers that already exist in your codebase or in any SDKs you’re using. An LLM is regurgitating things from outside that space, where you have no idea of the provenance of what it’s putting into your code. It doesn’t just matter that the code you’re contributing to a project is correct, it matters quite a…
Maybe because 99% of people that complain about this complain about problems that never occur in 99% of the cases they cite. My employer isn’t going to give a shit that code that I’ve written for their internal CRUD app gets more or less directly copied into my own. There’s only one way to do that, it was already in my head before I wrote it for them, and it’ll still be in after. As long as I’m not directly competing with their interests, what the hell do they care.
> When you contribute to a project, you’re not just sending that project a set of bits, you’re making attestations about how those bits were created.
You are really not. You are only doing that if the project requires some attestation of provenance. I can tell you that none of mine do.
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#458I'll cover in my YouTube why this is wrong but TLDR: you need to evaluate quality not process. AI can be used in diametrically different ways and the reason why this policy could be enforced is because it will be obvious if the code is produced via a solo flight of some AI agent. For the same reason that's not a policy that will improve anything.
> ...you need to evaluate quality not process. Respectfully, Mr. Redis, sir, that's what's going on. I don't see any reason to make a video about it. From the PR that's TFA: "In a perfect world, AI assistance would produce equal or higher quality work than any human. That isn't the world we live in today, and in many cases it's generating slop. I say this despite being a fan of and using them successfully myself (wit…
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Training an AI model is not the same as using an AI model.
If you mean the ruling has absolutely no applicability when it comes to using the model then, no, that is incorrect: Judge Alsup, in his ruling, specifically likened the process to reading text and then using the knowledge to write something else. That’s training and use.
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I know of restaurants and bars that choose to play cover versions of well-known songs because the costs are so much less.
I really doubt you would ever license any specific songs as a cafe business. You should be able to pay a fixed fee to a PRO and have a blanket license to play almost anything. Is it so expensive in the US, or perhaps they do not know that this is an option? If the former, and those cover artists help those bars keep their expenses low and offer you better experience while charging less—working with the system, withou…
A restaurant / cafe may pay a fixed fee and get access to a specific catalog of songs (performances). The fee depends on what the catalog contains. As you can imagine, paying for the right to only play instrumental versions of songs (no singers, no lyrics) is significantly cheaper. Or, having performances of songs by unknown people.