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U.S. government takes 10% stake in Intel

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Re: U.S. government takes 10% stake in Intel

#191

Genuine question- How does Govt picking winners and losers going to help? Intel is no Too big to fail Bank. Why save Intel of all chip manufacturers? Wouldnt it be like 25 years too late, with Intel and its heydays !? Would Govt now ensure parity by investing in "marquee" entities across different industrial domains?

>Wouldnt it be like 25 years too late, with Intel and its heydays !?

wtf? what do you mean, they're like less than 1 year behind TSMC when it comes to leading node

Re: U.S. government takes 10% stake in Intel

#192
post #146

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So no shareholder vote required? It is equivalent to a 10% dilution (shares issued for no extra cash).

How can this be any good for Intel? Why is the stock value bumping 6%?

It means Intel is far worse off than publicly acknowledged, and without this it might be worthless.

Re: U.S. government takes 10% stake in Intel

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post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So no shareholder vote required? It is equivalent to a 10% dilution (shares issued for no extra cash).

How can this be any good for Intel? Why is the stock value bumping 6%?

The CHIPS grants had clawback provisions, which carry risk. This transaction removes that risk, so it's very good news for Intel.

> The existing claw-back and profit-sharing provisions associated with the government’s previously dispersed $2.2 billion grant to Intel under the CHIPS Act will be eliminated to create permanency of capital as the company advances its U.S. investment plans.

Re: U.S. government takes 10% stake in Intel

#194

Ironic, Western politicians thought opening up to trade with China would lead to it adopting a Western model of government. Instead it's lead to the USA adopting the Chinese one.

It somewhat makes sense in terms of industries which are deemed strategically important. Intel needs to start thinking long term instead of short term profits.

> Intel needs to start thinking long term instead of short term profits

Which is what the last CEO was in the middle of doing and he got fired just recently because they couldn't stomach it

Re: U.S. government takes 10% stake in Intel

#195

Ironic, Western politicians thought opening up to trade with China would lead to it adopting a Western model of government. Instead it's lead to the USA adopting the Chinese one.

It somewhat makes sense in terms of industries which are deemed strategically important. Intel needs to start thinking long term instead of short term profits.

Intel has had a couple years of saying they were going into a more long term vision and failing, and it’s unclear how direct government ownership will make them get better at execution

Re: U.S. government takes 10% stake in Intel

#196
post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So no shareholder vote required? It is equivalent to a 10% dilution (shares issued for no extra cash).

How can this be any good for Intel? Why is the stock value bumping 6%?

Because the government having a financial interest in Intel’s success is expected by the market to result in the government acting in Intel’s interest, in order to profit.

Re: U.S. government takes 10% stake in Intel

#197

Ironic, Western politicians thought opening up to trade with China would lead to it adopting a Western model of government. Instead it's lead to the USA adopting the Chinese one.

We even have no assurance of keeping private property via civil asset forfeiture! Private ownership was the adults main point of pride to distinguish from the Chinese when I was growing up. And now the Chinese private property frameworks are closer to ours and ours are closer to theirs.

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Re: U.S. government takes 10% stake in Intel

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The US can't employ poverty-tier labor to enable competitive margins, though. American businesses and global trade partners already largely reject Intel's foundry services.

Doesn't matter. All of the US's advanced weaponry systems now use "state of the art" electronic systems, which in the context of defense only means "not decades out of date." Two or three generations old is perfectly fine. The military does not need the latest and greatest CPUs and GPUs going into the iPhone 17 or whatever, but it does need the equivalent of the chip in the iPhone 12 or iPhone 8 or whatever for integ…

The China narrative is pure nonsense. You always have guys like Gordon Chang pushing alternating stories about the coming collapse of China, followed by a scary hegemonic whatever.

Re: U.S. government takes 10% stake in Intel

#199
In general I would rather the government take a stake in corporations they're bailing out. I think the "too big to fail" bailouts in the past should have come with more of a cost for the business, so on one hand I'm glad this is finally happening.

On the other hand, I wish it were a more formalized process rather than this politicized "our president made a deal to save america!" / "Intel is back and the government is investing BUY INTEL SHARES" media event. These things should follow a strict set of rules and processes so investors and companies know what to expect. These kind of deals should be boring, not a media event.

Re: U.S. government takes 10% stake in Intel

#200

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The promiscuous relation between government and tech is as old as Silicon Valley. I'm fact, it created Silicon Valley. It started when people in China were still building backyard furnaces.

Who ordered the Chinese people to build furnaces in their backyard?

Some guys who wanted to make China Great Again.
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