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Thunderbird Pro August 2025 Update

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Re: Thunderbird Pro August 2025 Update

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> These services come with real costs, especially storage and bandwidth. Charging for them helps ensure that users who benefit from these tools help cover their cost, instead of donors footing the bill. This is the best way to monetize the extra sevices imo.

I don't want their extra services . Just a local email client. I already have servers. Do not want to have to have a "Thunderbird account" in the "cloud", with overreaching terms of service and privacy terms that weaken over time. Mozilla tried this with "Pocket", then gave up. But as part of Pocket integration, Firefox bookmarks were made less useful. Wonder what will be enshittified in Thunderbird to force people t…

Yes and that's exactly why they are additional services.

Re: Thunderbird Pro August 2025 Update

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want their extra services . Just a local email client. I already have servers. Do not want to have to have a "Thunderbird account" in the "cloud", with overreaching terms of service and privacy terms that weaken over time. Mozilla tried this with "Pocket", then gave up. But as part of Pocket integration, Firefox bookmarks were made less useful. Wonder what will be enshittified in Thunderbird to force people t…

I'm sure you can still go on without the extra services, and you can still donate if you want to. I see no reason for Thunderbird to be enshitified. Thunderbird is also not Mozilla anymore.

I agree fully but Thunderbird is operated by MZLA Technologies Corporation, which is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Mozilla Foundation, so while Thunderbird is part of the broader Mozilla family, it operates independently and is managed as its own entity.

They left Mozilla at some point but later joined again.

Re: Thunderbird Pro August 2025 Update

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I've used Thunderbird ever since it was released as a standalone mail client and like it - although it has sometimes been a rocky experience in the past. I use it now with Fastmail as my mail provider. One thing I might be interested in is the "contacts" side of mail. In an effort to move away from too much Google, I ditched Google Contacts and host my own CardDAV using "Radicale" [0]. This works, and I also access i…

Do you like Thunderbird better than Fastmail’s UI? I’ve always felt TB to be clunky, outdated with an ecosystem of abandoned extensions that haven’t been updated since GMail got popular, but I haven’t tried it in the last 3 years to see if it got better.

If you want to have your email offline, you must use an application built for that. Thunderbird has its shortcomings but it does actually do the job. Web user interfaces have their place (such as on phones, which make development harder), but there is no replacing the desktop email client.

Re: Thunderbird Pro August 2025 Update

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> These services come with real costs, especially storage and bandwidth. Charging for them helps ensure that users who benefit from these tools help cover their cost, instead of donors footing the bill. This is the best way to monetize the extra sevices imo.

I don't want their extra services . Just a local email client. I already have servers. Do not want to have to have a "Thunderbird account" in the "cloud", with overreaching terms of service and privacy terms that weaken over time. Mozilla tried this with "Pocket", then gave up. But as part of Pocket integration, Firefox bookmarks were made less useful. Wonder what will be enshittified in Thunderbird to force people t…

It's like you didn't read the article.

They address exactly that gripe at the end.

Re: Thunderbird Pro August 2025 Update

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> These services come with real costs, especially storage and bandwidth. Charging for them helps ensure that users who benefit from these tools help cover their cost, instead of donors footing the bill. This is the best way to monetize the extra sevices imo.

Funny enough, I'm hitting a 504 when trying to read the article. (Maybe not cached?)

For others: https://archive.is/20250822144210/https://blog.thunderbird.n...

Re: Thunderbird Pro August 2025 Update

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> These services come with real costs, especially storage and bandwidth. Charging for them helps ensure that users who benefit from these tools help cover their cost, instead of donors footing the bill. This is the best way to monetize the extra sevices imo.

I don't want their extra services . Just a local email client. I already have servers. Do not want to have to have a "Thunderbird account" in the "cloud", with overreaching terms of service and privacy terms that weaken over time. Mozilla tried this with "Pocket", then gave up. But as part of Pocket integration, Firefox bookmarks were made less useful. Wonder what will be enshittified in Thunderbird to force people t…

So don't use/pay for them? Stop manufacturing outrage.

The article is littered with phrases like "optional", "opt-in", "self-host", "For users who prefer to run their own infrastructure", "completely optional suite of (open source) services". How more blatant can they get? Even if your eyes passed over the words I won't believe you if you told me you read the article. It's not reading if you are missing a point that is excessively being shoved in your face.

Re: Thunderbird Pro August 2025 Update

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> The upcoming email hosting service from Thunderbird will support IMAP, SMTP and JMAP out of the box Is there any email hosting out there with support for JMAP?

I would hope this starts building momentum outside of Fastmail and maybe we see support added to clients like Apple Mail

Re: Thunderbird Pro August 2025 Update

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I actually really like this. Seems like a good way to sustain the platform. Everything is free and open source, so you can run all the services on your own if you want, but allows users to pay to outsource that work and get direct support. Sounds a lot like the Red Hat model, which has been successful. I also *absolutely love* how transparent they are about future development. It's nice to hear about what features are being prioritized and what are still in the planning phase. I wish this was more common.

I like that everything is optional. Nothing is forced on people. I know Mozilla gets these complaints a lot and while there is some validity to them it's not like this also isn't true about any other platform... Plus, most complaints are about optional things...

I'd love to see integration with Relay[0]. I already use this as it is a big help to reduce spam. Integrate with bitwarden and I can give every website a unique email and password. I hate that this is a thing that needs be done, but it is a big help and worth 2 beers a year.

I've actually always been surprised more people don't use Thunderbird. It's got problems, but I've had fewer problems with it than GMail, Apple Mail, or Outlook. Some "features" on those platforms even feel hostile[1]. Hell, just the filtering capabilities make a massive improvement[1]. I mean there's of junk mail I catch this way that none of the other services do. I'm all for advanced spam filtering but come on, if I can catch it with "[To or CC] + [contains] + []" then you've done fucked up[3].

[0] https://relay.firefox.com/

[1] I never understood how people fall for those Paypal bitcoin scams until I saw one of those emails on my iPhone (and then checked Apple Mail to see if it was the same). Straight up rendered the PDF in browser giving no indication that it was a PDF and not text (GMail doesn't do this). I mean I don't have a Paypal account but I could see how my grandma could fall for that. Plus, they hide the addresses where in thunderbird this is much more apparent.

[2] One favorite filter is those "logged in from a new device". I get the toast notification on my machine (which I want) but it gets pushed to another folder so doesn't litter my inbox. Similar idea for other things like newsletters and email that borderlines junk (or is literal junk and hard to capture).

[3] These are LLM generated emails where the source is drastically different from what renders. Google support just told me to click "Report Spam" despite me telling them I've been doing that for a year and get these emails a few times a month...

Re: Thunderbird Pro August 2025 Update

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want their extra services . Just a local email client. I already have servers. Do not want to have to have a "Thunderbird account" in the "cloud", with overreaching terms of service and privacy terms that weaken over time. Mozilla tried this with "Pocket", then gave up. But as part of Pocket integration, Firefox bookmarks were made less useful. Wonder what will be enshittified in Thunderbird to force people t…

It's like you didn't read the article. They address exactly that gripe at the end.

  > at the end
Also in the beginning and in the middle.
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