4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

Post by philjohn » Fri, Aug 22, 2025, 8:18 PM UTC

jlokier wrote: post #190

adiabatichottub wrote: post #142

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But how can those changes be made if the representatives don't act to make them? It would take a pretty big act of solidarity amongst various constituencies to send the message that failure to act is not an option.

Since we're talking about the UK, in 2010 negotations after a hung parliament produced an opportunity to move towards something a little more representative: The 2011 referendum on changing to AV voting from first-past-the-post. Unfortunately, voters rejected that change quite strongly, and that probably set the trend for a while against further steps to proportional or more direct democratic systems. AV is a type of…

Post by LAC-Tech » Fri, Aug 22, 2025, 8:23 PM UTC

billy99k wrote: post #259

The UK started arresting people that posted differing opinions a few years ago. There were no articles or outcry and this is what it has led to.

Post by anikom15 » Fri, Aug 22, 2025, 8:24 PM UTC

lokar wrote: post #77

sunshine-o wrote: post #52

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This is the only power they have left. The UK government has lost control of what happen in the physical world on their own island so now the bureaucrats play a fantasy game where they are gonna enforce their rules and dominion in their former colonies or the digital world.

While I disapprove of what the gov is doing here, I think it’s incorrect and unhelpful to put all the blame on them. AIUI, the UK is a democracy and these policies are generally supported by the voters.

Post by anikom15 » Fri, Aug 22, 2025, 8:27 PM UTC

jon-wood wrote: post #205

linuxftw wrote: post #101

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> AIUI, the UK is a democracy The House of Lords disagrees and the Monarch disagree. Sometimes they cosplay as a democracy.

Neither the House of Lords or the Monarch can actually stop Parliament passing a law. They can in some cases slow them down, but if Parliament really wants a law passed it will happen.

Post by foldr » Fri, Aug 22, 2025, 8:31 PM UTC

grues-dinner wrote: post #216

overfeed wrote: post #139

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2-party electoral systems (likely to bear >50% majority governments) are also not very democratic, in a way. There's no perfect system, but I prefer minority governments to a 2-party duopoly. YMMV.

The UK has been effectively a two party system anyway within living memory (Labour and Tories). Only rarely (e.g. 2010) does the token third party, the Lib Dems) get to be in coalition, and I think no one else has won anything since 1910. In a monkey's paw moment for everyone who dislikes only having effectively two parties to choose from, this may soon be changing as Reform is poised to overtake the Tories.