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Waymo granted permit to begin testing in New York City

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Re: Waymo granted permit to begin testing in New York City

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setgree wrote: post #28
vinkelhake wrote: post #25

I live in the bay and occasionally ride Waymo in SF and I pretty much always have a good time. I visited NYC a few weeks ago and was instantly reminded of how much the traffic fucking sucks :) While I was there I actually thought of Waymo and how they'd have to turn up the "aggression" slider up to 11 to get anything done there. I mean, could you imagine the audacity of actually not driving into an intersection when…

Semi-related, but just once in my life, I want to hear a mayoral candidate say: “I endorse broken windows theory, but for drivers. You honk when there’s no emergency, block the box, roll through a stop sign — buddy that’s a ticket. Do it enough and we’ll impound your car.” Who knows, maybe we’ll start taking our cues from our polite new robot driver friends…

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Re: Waymo granted permit to begin testing in New York City

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Post by freeone3000 »

dgs_sgd wrote: post #95
freeone3000 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine if we had dedicated lanes for giant Waymos, that could hold dozens of people. The future of transport.

I would like that just as much as the next guy but the problem of public transport cannot be addressed until you first address the problem of anti social behavior on public transport.

That’s just being around people. We gotta live together as people; the idea that we can atomize ourselves away from the society we live in is more disastrous to the shared social fabric than any amount of people listening to music without headphones.

Re: Waymo granted permit to begin testing in New York City

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Post by bongodongobob »

bsimpson wrote: post #11

It's insane that they need permits for 8 cars that have humans driving them in 2025, when they're already fully automated in SF. > We’re a tech-friendly administration Clearly not.

You sound like a junior admin. "Why do we need to keep testing? It works in the SF office?"

Because they are completely different environments.

Re: Waymo granted permit to begin testing in New York City

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Post by skybrian »

fsaid wrote: post #75

Waymo should add a thin layer of "assertiveness" for actual deadlock that their self-driving architecture could cause. While in Austin, I was in a Waymo that blocked 3 lanes of incoming traffic while attempting to merge into a lane going into the opposite direction. It was a super unorthodox move, but none of the drivers (even while stopped for a red light) would let the Waymo* merge into their lane. Thank God for th…

According to this article, they are doing some of that already. Presumably it will improve:

> Waymos are getting more assertive. Why the driverless taxis are learning to drive like humans

https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/waymo-robotaxis-drivi...

Re: Waymo granted permit to begin testing in New York City

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Post by potatolicious »

nothrabannosir wrote: post #79
setgree wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Semi-related, but just once in my life, I want to hear a mayoral candidate say: “I endorse broken windows theory, but for drivers. You honk when there’s no emergency, block the box, roll through a stop sign — buddy that’s a ticket. Do it enough and we’ll impound your car.” Who knows, maybe we’ll start taking our cues from our polite new robot driver friends…

Blocking the box is a ticket in London. It works. Edit: let me clarify: there is a camera on every intersection which automatically gives a ticket to everyone who blocks for >5sec. That works.

It is in NYC also, except it's entirely unenforced. We need a lot more red light cameras.

The nominal regulations on automotive behavior is pretty sufficient throughout the US, the main problem is that in most parts of the country traffic law may as well be a dead letter.

Re: Waymo granted permit to begin testing in New York City

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Post by testfrequency »

kingkawn wrote: post #60
testfrequency wrote: post #24

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Since Waymo is very reliable in LA and SF, you will be just fine in NYC. Your grid system is far less of a challenge than the amount of hills, twists, narrow streets and low visibility back streets in California. I genuinely think the most complicated challenge for Waymo in NYC will be…winter snow and ice.

LA and SF are not close to close to the complexity of nyc traffic and pedestrian culture

TIL.

LA doesn’t have complex traffic? What sort of traffic do we have in LA then?

LA is walkable, it’s lazy (and mostly incorrect) to say LA isn’t walkable.

LA County is massive, and depending on where you want to pick a comparison from, you may prove yourself either right or wrong.

Re: Waymo granted permit to begin testing in New York City

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Post by xyst »

fsaid wrote: post #75

Waymo should add a thin layer of "assertiveness" for actual deadlock that their self-driving architecture could cause. While in Austin, I was in a Waymo that blocked 3 lanes of incoming traffic while attempting to merge into a lane going into the opposite direction. It was a super unorthodox move, but none of the drivers (even while stopped for a red light) would let the Waymo* merge into their lane. Thank God for th…

This is awful. Your ride takes just a bit longer, so you want it to take more risks in decisions?

This is how you ruin trust. Take the L dude, sit back and relax. You will get to your restaurant or whatever inane activity you are doing for the day/evening.

Re: Waymo granted permit to begin testing in New York City

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Post by [deleted] »

rahkiin wrote: post #67
chrisshroba wrote: post #44

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This always astounds me about cities who have a reputation for people breaking certain traffic laws. In St. Louis, people run red lights for 5+ seconds after it turns red, and no one seems to care to solve it, but if they'd just station police at some worst-offender lights for a couple months to write tickets, people would catch on pretty quickly that it's not worth the risk. I have similar thoughts on people using t…

In europe we use traffic cameras for this. Going through red light? A bill is in your mailbox automatically. No need for a whole police station.

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Post by dazc »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #87
Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #80

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My wife and I took a road trip that included time in SF last year and seeing a Waymo was pretty neat. To save some money, we stayed in downtown Oakland and took the BART into San Francisco. After getting ice cream at the Ghirardelli Chocolate shop, we were headed to Pier 39. My wife has a bad ankle and can't walk very far before needing a break to sit, and we could have taken another bus, we decided to take a Waymo f…

Why does tesla pretend to be autonomous? My friends with tesla fsd use it fully autonomously. It even finds a spot and parks for them.

It's just pretending to do that, seemingly?

Re: Waymo granted permit to begin testing in New York City

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Post by joecool1029 »

nothrabannosir wrote: post #79
setgree wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Semi-related, but just once in my life, I want to hear a mayoral candidate say: “I endorse broken windows theory, but for drivers. You honk when there’s no emergency, block the box, roll through a stop sign — buddy that’s a ticket. Do it enough and we’ll impound your car.” Who knows, maybe we’ll start taking our cues from our polite new robot driver friends…

Blocking the box is a ticket in London. It works. Edit: let me clarify: there is a camera on every intersection which automatically gives a ticket to everyone who blocks for >5sec. That works.

It is in NYC as well and it's usually enforced by parking enforcement (doesn't carry points but it has a steep fine), if NYPD writes it also comes with points but in my experience they'd rather let the walking ticket printers do it.
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