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US to review all 55M visas to check if holders broke rules

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Re: US to review all 55M visas to check if holders broke rules

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Post by causal »

sixo wrote: post #6
shazbotter wrote: post #3

Vile. You know why we don't give everyone a full body MRI every year? Too many false positives, too many benign findings that result in unnecessary action, too expensive. This is the same. It's going to have errors, it's going to find benign things, and it's going to be expensive. It's going to hurt people who fundamentally did nothing wrong. If it's expensive and hurting innocent people, it sure looks like cruelty i…

The MRI analogy is not good. The false positive risk is only against the present-day distribution of MRIs mostly taken of symptomatic patients; if we had the dataset of "annual MRIs for everyone" we would very quickly recalibrate our sensitivity to the new baseline.

False positives are still false positives. You don't decide to ignore a possible tumor because everybody's getting MRIs these days.

Re: US to review all 55M visas to check if holders broke rules

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Post by kotaKat »

paxys wrote: post #5

Every single person on the planet has broken some rule or another. If they want to kick all visa holders out they might as well do it without all the pretense (and save a bunch of money in the process).

Three felonies a day. — Harvey A. Silverglate

Re: US to review all 55M visas to check if holders broke rules

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Post by shazbotter »

sixo wrote: post #6
shazbotter wrote: post #3

Vile. You know why we don't give everyone a full body MRI every year? Too many false positives, too many benign findings that result in unnecessary action, too expensive. This is the same. It's going to have errors, it's going to find benign things, and it's going to be expensive. It's going to hurt people who fundamentally did nothing wrong. If it's expensive and hurting innocent people, it sure looks like cruelty i…

The MRI analogy is not good. The false positive risk is only against the present-day distribution of MRIs mostly taken of symptomatic patients; if we had the dataset of "annual MRIs for everyone" we would very quickly recalibrate our sensitivity to the new baseline.

MRIs produce shadows that are indistinguishable from cysts or tumors all the time. They are benign, but no amount of data will reduce them. And telling someone "you have a shadow here, it's probably benign" makes people anxious and they go, "maybe I should boost it?" Which is needlessly invasive.

Re: US to review all 55M visas to check if holders broke rules

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Post by empyrrhicist »

sixo wrote: post #6
shazbotter wrote: post #3

Vile. You know why we don't give everyone a full body MRI every year? Too many false positives, too many benign findings that result in unnecessary action, too expensive. This is the same. It's going to have errors, it's going to find benign things, and it's going to be expensive. It's going to hurt people who fundamentally did nothing wrong. If it's expensive and hurting innocent people, it sure looks like cruelty i…

The MRI analogy is not good. The false positive risk is only against the present-day distribution of MRIs mostly taken of symptomatic patients; if we had the dataset of "annual MRIs for everyone" we would very quickly recalibrate our sensitivity to the new baseline.

... yeah? You'd expect the false positive rate to be HIGHER when you're not looking at an enriched patient subset. That's why we're careful about recommending certain kinds of screening. See also: PSA screening.

Re: US to review all 55M visas to check if holders broke rules

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Post by bix6 »

ramesh31 wrote: post #8
antithesizer wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is why they're doing it. They're looking for pretexts to reduce headcount. They don't give a s** if the positive is false or not.

>That is why they're doing it. They're looking for pretexts to reduce headcount. They don't give a s* if the positive is false or not. At least we're still at the stage where they're bothering to find pretext. There is still hope.

Is there? They are already a few rungs up from illegal criminals. Not much further to get to anyone since these are approved visa holders. Im just waiting for them to declare all Californians as non-citizens at this point.

Re: US to review all 55M visas to check if holders broke rules

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Post by philk10 »

aurelien_gasser wrote: post #10

This won't happen in practice because it's incredibly impractical. It would require massive amounts of manpower and be very expensive.

get a DOGE staffer to run it through AI like they've been doing for all the other things they are wrecking

Re: US to review all 55M visas to check if holders broke rules

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Post by geremiiah »

shazbotter wrote: post #3

Vile. You know why we don't give everyone a full body MRI every year? Too many false positives, too many benign findings that result in unnecessary action, too expensive. This is the same. It's going to have errors, it's going to find benign things, and it's going to be expensive. It's going to hurt people who fundamentally did nothing wrong. If it's expensive and hurting innocent people, it sure looks like cruelty i…

It's more akin to KYC and AML laws.

I've heard many horror stories of bank/brokerage accounts being frozen despite all deposits being legitimate, not to mention not being able to transfer large amounts or not even being allowed to open an account.

Meanwhile crooks somehow manage to have bank accounts in all the big banks without issues.

Re: US to review all 55M visas to check if holders broke rules

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Post by bix6 »

paxys wrote: post #5

Every single person on the planet has broken some rule or another. If they want to kick all visa holders out they might as well do it without all the pretense (and save a bunch of money in the process).

At this point it seems they are trying to drag everyone through the mud so individuals have to waste all their personal time and capital fighting a deep pocketed state.
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