Florida lawmaker floats ban on HOAs amid growing backlash
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Re: Florida lawmaker floats ban on HOAs amid growing backlash
#2Don’t threaten me with a good time.
Re: Florida lawmaker floats ban on HOAs amid growing backlash
#3First good idea out of Florida in a long time
Re: Florida lawmaker floats ban on HOAs amid growing backlash
#4The problem is always with the extremes.
On one side, you have someone creating a car junkyard in his frontyard with a car tire bonfire behind his house and on the other, you have a random karen neigbor measuring your lawn greenness and soil humidity to see if you're not watering the lawn enough and fine your for that.
Take the power from a few powertrippers and make it more democratic and you solve both issues... turn every issue into a mandatory vote, require some kind of above-majority vote (eg 70%), and you're done. If the issue is so bad, that 70% of your neighbors actually come to a meeting and vote against what you're doing, it must be something really bad.
Re: Florida lawmaker floats ban on HOAs amid growing backlash
#5> In Riverview, HOA disputes escalated into arrests and foreclosure threats. One homeowner was jailed for a week over brown grass, while another faced a lien and thousands in legal fees tied to her house paint.
What, excuse me, the hell? I thought "debtor's prison" was outlawed centuries ago?
Re: Florida lawmaker floats ban on HOAs amid growing backlash
#6There will need to be some sort of carve out for towers, condos, townhomes etc.
I cannot imagine running a building without an HOA, or some form of it. Who pays for the external repairs? Who pays for shared staff?
AC units for a highrise are $2-5M, who is saving for that?
This is just typical lawmaker BS, "oh I am going to do away with it", no real plan.
If anything just remove the HOA bylaws that are clearly violating peoples rights, like not being able to have cars in your drive way or only display flags certain ways.
Re: Florida lawmaker floats ban on HOAs amid growing backlash
#7The problem is always with the extremes. On one side, you have someone creating a car junkyard in his frontyard with a car tire bonfire behind his house and on the other, you have a random karen neigbor measuring your lawn greenness and soil humidity to see if you're not watering the lawn enough and fine your for that. Take the power from a few powertrippers and make it more democratic and you solve both issues... tu…
I lived next to a guy who would do maintenance and repair on his motorcycle which had “pipes” until nearly midnight.
I would’ve killed for an HOA back then.
Re: Florida lawmaker floats ban on HOAs amid growing backlash
#8HOAs are benevolent dictatorships. That's supposed to be better than democracy. What could possibly go wrong?
Re: Florida lawmaker floats ban on HOAs amid growing backlash
#9The problem is always with the extremes. On one side, you have someone creating a car junkyard in his frontyard with a car tire bonfire behind his house and on the other, you have a random karen neigbor measuring your lawn greenness and soil humidity to see if you're not watering the lawn enough and fine your for that. Take the power from a few powertrippers and make it more democratic and you solve both issues... tu…
> If the issue is so bad, that 70% of your neighbors actually come to a meeting and vote against what you're doing, it must be something really bad.
Two dangers with that.
First, mandatory votes are ... difficult. They exclude a lot of people, particularly those that gotta work two jobs to make ends meet, thus giving more power to those people who have lots of free time (i.e. pensioners, SAHM busybodies).
Second, tyranny of the majority. The original intention of HOAs was to keep out Black and Asian people and, in some cases, Jews [1]. Getting the majority of 70% in a majority white 'hood is an open invitation for harrassment.
If there is bad behavior, such as someone working on "car projects" at night, or letting junk pile up in their front yard, the solution is zoning, noise ordnances and environmental protection laws. Not HOAs.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeowner_association#History
Re: Florida lawmaker floats ban on HOAs amid growing backlash
#10The problem is always with the extremes. On one side, you have someone creating a car junkyard in his frontyard with a car tire bonfire behind his house and on the other, you have a random karen neigbor measuring your lawn greenness and soil humidity to see if you're not watering the lawn enough and fine your for that. Take the power from a few powertrippers and make it more democratic and you solve both issues... tu…
That sounds suspiciously like democratically enacting local government ordinances.