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Mark Zuckerberg freezes AI hiring amid bubble fears

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg freezes AI hiring amid bubble fears

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Post by deegles »

hnfong wrote: post #533
deegles wrote: post #523

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We're clearly seeing what AI will eventually be able to do Are we though? Aside from a narrow set of tasks like translation, grammar, and tone-shifting, LLMs are a dead end. Code generation sucks. Agents suck. They still hallucinate. If you wouldn't trust its medical advice without review from an actual doctor, why would you trust its advice on anything else? Also, the companies trying to "fix" issues with LLMs wit…

I have a feeling that you believe "translation, grammar, and tone-shifting" works but "code generation sucks" for LLMs because you're good at coding and hence you see its flaws, and you're not in the business of doing translation etc. Pretty sure if you're going to use LLMs for translating anything non-trivial, you'd have to carefully review the outputs, just like if you're using LLMs to write code.

You know, you're right. It -also- sucks at those tasks because on top of the issue you mention, unedited LLM text is identifiable if you get used to its patterns.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg freezes AI hiring amid bubble fears

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Post by goyagoji »

jamwil wrote: post #596
jiveturkey wrote: post #540

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you think folks that have experience managing this much money/resources (unlike yourself) are clueless? more likely it's 4D chess.

Just like the metaverse?

Anti-aging startups is 5D chess, the 4th dimension is the most fickle so it's very hard to make it to a 4D intercept when your ideas are stupid.

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Post by el_benhameen »

toephu2 wrote: post #633
TrackerFF wrote: post #53

I really do wonder if any of those rock star $100m++ hires managed to get a 9-figure sign-on bonus, or if the majority have year(s) long performance clauses. Imagine being paid generational wealth, and then the house of cards comes crashing down a couple of months later.

None of them are getting $100m+ packages. Zuck himself even debunked that myth. But the media loves to run with it because it generates clicks.

I have no idea what’s going on behind the scenes, but Zuckerberg saying “nah that’s not true” hardly seems like definitive proof of anything.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg freezes AI hiring amid bubble fears

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Post by jiveturkey »

jamwil wrote: post #596
jiveturkey wrote: post #540

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you think folks that have experience managing this much money/resources (unlike yourself) are clueless? more likely it's 4D chess.

Just like the metaverse?

sometimes you lose

Re: Mark Zuckerberg freezes AI hiring amid bubble fears

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Post by disposition2 »

I can see the value in actual AI. But it seems like in many instances how it is being utilized or applied is more related to terrible search functionality. Even for the web, it seems like we’re using AI to provide more refined search results, rather than just fixing search capabilities.

Maybe it’s just easier to throw ‘AI’ (heavy compute of data) at a search problem, rather than addressing the crux of the problem…people not being provided with the tools to query information. And maybe that’s the answer but it seems like an expensive solution.

That said, I’m not an expert and could be completely off base.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg freezes AI hiring amid bubble fears

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Post by Jagerbizzle »

oblio wrote: post #602
kgwgk wrote: post #593

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They “deploy” much more than what they generate. Their cash position has gone from $44bn to $12bn in the first six months of the year and are now getting other people to pay for datacenters https://www.reuters.com/business/meta-taps-pimco-blue-owl-29...

Ouch. Other FAANG in a similar position?

I guess there's no 'M' in "FAANG" but there's this:

https://www.geekwire.com/2025/im-good-for-my-80-billion-what...

Re: Mark Zuckerberg freezes AI hiring amid bubble fears

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Post by zmmmmm »

dyeje wrote: post #482

After reading Careless People and watching Meta’s metaverse and AI moves, Mark comes across as a child chasing the shiny new thing.

it's not really a fair characterisation, because he persisted for nearly 10 years dumping enormous investment into the VR business, and still is to this day. Furthermore, Meta's AI labs predated all the hype and the company was investing and highly respected in the area way before it was "cool".

If anything, I think the panic at this stage is arising from the sense of having his lunch stolen after having invested so much and for so long.

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Post by projektfu »

mindcrime wrote: post #444
tombert wrote: post #440

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Craftsman tools have almost felt like a life-hack sometimes; their no-questions-asked warranties were just incredible. My dad broke a Craftsman shovel once that he had owned for four years, took it to Sears, and it was replaced immediately, no questions asked. I broke a socket wrench that I had owned for a year and had the same story. I haven't tested these warranties since Craftsman was sold to Black and Decker, but…

FWIW, I bought a Craftsman 1/4" drive ratchet/socket set at a Lowes Home Improvement store last year, and when I got it home and started messing with it, the ratchet jammed up immediately (before even being used on any actual fastener). I drove back over there the next day and the lady at the service desk took a quick look, said "go get another one off the shelf and come back here." I did, and by the time I got back…

It made sense to use the Craftsman screwdriver as a pry bar in a pinch and save the really good one for just turning screws.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg freezes AI hiring amid bubble fears

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Post by nomel »

disposition2 wrote: post #645

I can see the value in actual AI. But it seems like in many instances how it is being utilized or applied is more related to terrible search functionality. Even for the web, it seems like we’re using AI to provide more refined search results, rather than just fixing search capabilities. Maybe it’s just easier to throw ‘AI’ (heavy compute of data) at a search problem, rather than addressing the crux of the problem…peo…

> is more related to terrible search functionality

If you looked at $ spent/use case, I would think this is probably the bottom of the list, probably with the highest use of that being in the free tiers.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg freezes AI hiring amid bubble fears

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Post by deegles »

rstuart4133 wrote: post #605
deegles wrote: post #523

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We're clearly seeing what AI will eventually be able to do Are we though? Aside from a narrow set of tasks like translation, grammar, and tone-shifting, LLMs are a dead end. Code generation sucks. Agents suck. They still hallucinate. If you wouldn't trust its medical advice without review from an actual doctor, why would you trust its advice on anything else? Also, the companies trying to "fix" issues with LLMs wit…

> Aside from a narrow set of tasks like translation, grammar, and tone-shifting, LLMs are a dead end. I consider myself an LLM skeptic, but gee saying they are a "dead end" seems harsh. Before LLM's came along computers understanding human language was graveyard academics when to end their careers in. Now computers are better at it and far faster than most humans. LLM's also have an extortionary ability to distill an…

> it's hard to imagine a AI that can competently code that doesn't have an LLM as a component.

That's just it. LLMs are a component, they generate text or images from a higher-level description but are not themselves "intelligent". If you imagine the language center of your brain being replaced with a tiny LLM powered chip, you would not say it's sentient. it translates your thoughts into words which you then choose to speak or not. That's all modulated by consciousness.

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