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Re: Show HN: OS X Mavericks Forever

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #52

> There is no modern mainstream browser engine that works in Snow Leopard. Sadly this too will be true in Mavericks soon enough. If you decide to web browse on a separate machine though, you can still have your Mavericks machine be your main one.

Ah, but note I said "mainstream browser engine", not "mainstream browser!" The mainstream browsers themselves dropped Mavericks some time ago, but other developers have been maintaining backports.

Firefox Dynasty is actually a relatively recent development. For a while I was using Chromium Legacy[1], which, yes, did stop getting updated a little over a year ago. But then just in time, i3roly came along with Firefox Dynasty[2]!

It's true that if i3roly drops Firefox Dynasty, and the Chromium Legacy developer doesn't return (there has been some movement on the repo), that will be the end of this project. But that could be many years from now!

1: https://github.com/blueboxd/chromium-legacy 2: https://github.com/i3roly/firefox-dynasty

Re: Show HN: OS X Mavericks Forever

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

mdaniel wrote: post #56
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Also, if you were to serve your get.sh (et al) as text/plain it would enable browing them versus them downloading and having to open it locally. Thanks, I'll look into this! I'm not immediately sure how to do it. The site is hosted via a very minimal Cloudflare worker, because it's free for static assets but unlike e.g. Github pages supports unencrypted http (which is useful when bootstrapping a new Mavericks syste…

https://developers.cloudflare.com/workers/static-assets/head... alleges it honors the c-type of the asset when it was uploaded, just like S3

Thanks--I think I fixed it!

Re: Show HN: OS X Mavericks Forever

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Post by Johnny555 »

>Today, it an inherently vulnerable operating system, and you will need to be a bit careful. Regularly back up your data to cold storage, never use an outdated web browser, and always keep your router's firmware up-to-date.

If my computer is hacked, I'm not really worried about my data being destroyed, I have offline backups for that. The bigger danger is having my data exfiltrated, I don't want my tax return or password manager database to be exfiltrated from my computer.

Re: Show HN: OS X Mavericks Forever

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Post by Telemakhos »

latexr wrote: post #26

> Don't you love how hackable everything is? Removing stock apps from the Applications folder is completely safe—nothing will break—and this is your computer, so you should make it your own. You can always restore apps later using Time Machine. Just don't delete System Preferences, or anything in the Utilities folder. This was pretty funny. “You can do anything, and you should be able to do anything, nothing will bre…

Is this actually true? I thought Chess.app was, from OSX Lion (prior to Mavericks) yea unto the present, protected from deletion from the Applications folder as somehow intrinsically important to the system. It's apparently load-bearing, not just a holdover from NeXTSTEP but an integral element that the OS must defend at all costs to ensure System Integrity.

Re: Show HN: OS X Mavericks Forever

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Post by philistine »

linguae wrote: post #46
cosmic_cheese wrote: post #36

I have a soft spot for Mavericks too. It’s not 100% perfect (as post notes, scroll bars have been flattened and by then sidebar item icons had lost their color), but otherwise visually its probably the closest thing possible to “perfect” Aqua era OS X. It feels very refined in several ways that the earlier versions didn’t. In my opinion the runner-up in terms of visuals is actually 10.4 Tiger, though — the dark grays…

On the BSD side there has been efforts such as helloSystem ( https://hellosystem.github.io/docs/ ) and rayvnOS ( https://ravynos.com/ ) that aim to provide a FOSS recreation of the Jobs-era Mac OS X experience. Both can be considered BSDs as opposed to mere desktop environments. helloSystem uses X11 and Qt, while rayvnOS uses its own version of Cocoa. However, it’s been a few years since I’ve seriously investigated t…

Both those projects can only go skin deep. The macOS experience is not only how it looks, but the depth of its interactivity and the thoughtful implementations within that depth.

I still shudder when I see the limitations of dragging files in Windows. The fact I can drag a folder to a save dialog to jump to that folder is so natural to me, and Windows and Linux never bothered with those details.

Re: Show HN: OS X Mavericks Forever

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Post by dingosity »

There was a joke bumper-sticker in the valley back in the day that said "Windows 95 == Macintosh 89". But the critique of this was "Macintosh 95 == Macintosh 89". In the same way, "NeXTStep 89 == MacOS X 2001 == MacOS X 2015 == MacOS X 2025" except that they hadn't steved everyone from the user experience research group in 2001 and there were vestiges of #a11y features left in Yosemite.

Complaining your current version of MacOS X has a worse user experience than it did 10 years ago is like buying a Tesla and then complaining about its resale value.

Re: Show HN: OS X Mavericks Forever

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Post by philistine »

Telemakhos wrote: post #64
latexr wrote: post #26

> Don't you love how hackable everything is? Removing stock apps from the Applications folder is completely safe—nothing will break—and this is your computer, so you should make it your own. You can always restore apps later using Time Machine. Just don't delete System Preferences, or anything in the Utilities folder. This was pretty funny. “You can do anything, and you should be able to do anything, nothing will bre…

Is this actually true? I thought Chess.app was, from OSX Lion (prior to Mavericks) yea unto the present, protected from deletion from the Applications folder as somehow intrinsically important to the system. It's apparently load-bearing, not just a holdover from NeXTSTEP but an integral element that the OS must defend at all costs to ensure System Integrity.

It's because its in the signed system volume. You cannot modify the system volume in any way. macOS will do all sorts of crazy things to portray that volume as just like the old filesystem, but ultimately there are hard limits. Deleting apps in that volume is one of them it seems.

Re: Show HN: OS X Mavericks Forever

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Post by WillAdams »

os2warpman wrote: post #60

My favorite thing about MacOS is how it has never changed how it changes. It's like the game Civilization. Every new version is worse than the last. Every new version is more bloated. Every new version has changes that ruin it. Every new version is "less snappy". Every new version ruins everything. Not even with OS X, we're talking back to the System 6 days, almost 40 years ago, it has always been the same. System 6…

One notable standout here was 10.6 which was simply 10.5 recompiled for native Intel and dropping PowerPC support --- that said, for early 10.x each version consistently became more performant up through 10.5, it's just that 10.6 was the version where that was the _raison d'être_.

Re: Show HN: OS X Mavericks Forever

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Post by SnuffBox »

> Web Browsers. There is no modern mainstream browser engine that works in Snow Leopard.

You don't need one. You can either use RDP to a Windows Server running on a lightweight Mini PC (like I do) or use VMWare Fusion in unified mode to have a modern Chrome version seamlessly integrated into your desktop experience.

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