There's a lot of news recently abouts companies just simply hiding things.
Dishonesty seems to be the new normal everywhere. There is no god.
Home Depot sued for 'secretly' using facial recognition at self-checkouts
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Re: Home Depot sued for 'secretly' using facial recognition at self-checkouts
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you have ANY evidence that sending someone to jail for a few months to a few years sets people on a straight path? I am pretty sure the evidence shows the opposite.
So why we are even using it anymore? Why not then close down all the prisons? If there is no deterrent effect or rehabilitation effect. Wouldn't it be greater savings just to close it all down and let everyone out?
Yes.
Re: Home Depot sued for 'secretly' using facial recognition at self-checkouts
#123I've noticed cameras in the payment terminals at some Kroger stores lately. All checkout lanes, not just self-checkout.
Also, the HD nearest me has no fewer than 10 ALPRs in their parking lot. They've made absolutely sure that you're gonna get into the database.
Re: Home Depot sued for 'secretly' using facial recognition at self-checkouts
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
Im not sure we should allow such premeditated charge stacking, it is just further weaponizing the law and fueling our prison industrial complex for zero gain to society. Who is to say many of those people wouldn't have stopped after being caught and charged the first time? Imagine if cops sat on the side of the road not pulling people over, just recording minor traffic offenses in a file, and then a year or so later…
Or if your dealing with forgetful / tech confused old people. Now your putting 75 year olds in jail when a sooner alerting system would've made them notice if they were not using it correctly.
I'm not a trained cashier, if I forget to scan something it's not the same as theft. Not sure how it would play out in a court situation but this is always my go-to when I get accused of fucking something up in the store; also why I decline the receipt check at the door (legal in my state).
Most professional cashiers are only trained in one merchant's POS. Suddenly, me a layman consumer is supposed to be a flawless operator of every variant of self-checkout POS that I encounter. It's a bit crazy to me that a court would side with a merchant unless some egregious evidence or pattern had could be demonstrated.
Re: Home Depot sued for 'secretly' using facial recognition at self-checkouts
#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, not "do it three times". "Get fined for it three times." That's the key difference; there's feedback from the system that's supposed to act as a corrective. What's being discussed here would be taking away someone's license sight unseen, with no previous lesser punishment having been administered.
In the U.K. you get points on a license for being caught speeding (and other offence). Typically 3. Knock 12 points up over 3 years and you lose your license. The problem is the time it takes from being caught to getting the letter can be a couple of weeks. You could literally go from 0 points to license loss for driving 10 miles on an empty road with changeable speed limits and have no idea until a week or two later…
That's an imperfection of the system, not a designed feature of it. It's also possible you sometimes go over the speed limit and there are no sensors around to detect that condition.
Re: Home Depot sued for 'secretly' using facial recognition at self-checkouts
#126The green box around his face in the image is evidence that it detected a face, but not that it had collected or stored identifying biometrics. It would be legal for a POS device to detect any face, e.g. to help decide when to reset for the next customer. But as I understand it, this would usually be enough to trigger discovery, where he could learn the necessary technical details. Even if this suit fails, the store…
It still "recognizes a face" and shows this. Legal terms do not have to be scientific or engineering terms.
The lawsuit alleges that they also collect the facial details, of which the green rectangle is no evidence. But maybe they'll look into it and find that this is indeed the case.
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#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
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So are we talking about minimizing theft or maximizing justifiable human suffering?
If the state fails to punish a criminal, the suffering is externalised to the rest of society. How is that fair? Why should the moral people put up with that?
Re: Home Depot sued for 'secretly' using facial recognition at self-checkouts
#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you have ANY evidence that sending someone to jail for a few months to a few years sets people on a straight path? I am pretty sure the evidence shows the opposite.
So why we are even using it anymore? Why not then close down all the prisons? If there is no deterrent effect or rehabilitation effect. Wouldn't it be greater savings just to close it all down and let everyone out?
No. When you look at it that way you need to consider the crime that's never committed due to the risk of being imprisoned poses. Given how shitty people in the US treat each other, just during minor disputes/traffic/misunderstandings/etc, I think it's safe to say we'd be a country overrun by murderous rapists in no time without a prison system. It would devolve into anarchy pretty quick. Think the wild west with cars and ARs and without the sheriffs. GTA becomes reality.
Re: Home Depot sued for 'secretly' using facial recognition at self-checkouts
#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
Seems like proper punishment is only way to get deterrent effect. Or the courts to do their job. So to me this sounds like workable way, stack up the habitual offenders and send them to jail for a few months to few years setting them on straight path.
Rehabilitation and support is not what "people" want. Political parties that want more punishment seldom want to spend money even on punishments. So it becomes impossible to put people on a straight path. Having courts do their job is very expensive as well so instead people build their careers on getting fast convictions of people. The thing that helps is consistently building a society that cares, you have to know…
Pro money/business party wants/needs more people in prison so their private for profit prison businesses can make more money on legal slavery.
Re: Home Depot sued for 'secretly' using facial recognition at self-checkouts
#130I've noticed cameras in the payment terminals at some Kroger stores lately. All checkout lanes, not just self-checkout. Also, the HD nearest me has no fewer than 10 ALPRs in their parking lot. They've made absolutely sure that you're gonna get into the database.
ALPR = Automatic License-Plate Recognition [1] for those not familiar with the acronym.
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_number-plate_recogni...