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Re: Vibe coding creates a bus factor of zero

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This guy thinks bus factors of zero started with ChatGPT. Hahahahahaha. Adorable.

How many of you have asked about a process and been told that nobody knows how it works because the person who developed it left the company?

There was a blog post at the top of HN about this, like, yesterday.

I hate the current AI hype hothouse and everything it seems to be doing to the industry... but I couldn't help but laugh.

The post is great. Bus factor of zero is a great coinage.

Re: Vibe coding creates a bus factor of zero

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I think the article underestimates how much intent can be grasped from code alone. Even without comments. Humans (and I strongly suspect LLMs, since they're statistical synthesis of human production) are fairly predictable. We tend to tackle the same problems the same way. So how something is solved, tells you a lot about why, who and when it was solved. Still, it's a valid point that much of the knowledge is now obs…

> I think the article underestimates how much intent can be grasped from code alone. Even without comments.

I agree, the human thought process always ends up getting embedded in a which of several possible ways any one thing might be done. But it's still a process, and a vastly inferior one to having a knowledgeable person on hand. Reverse-engineering has up until now been reserved to times when it is necessary. (I mean, we all still do it, especially on legacy codebases, but it's not good for productivity at all.)

> Humans (and I strongly suspect LLMs, since they're statistical synthesis of human production) are fairly predictable.

I disagree with the parenthetical. That's what stands out to me the most about LLM code: there are definitely intentions embedded in the code, but they're a hodgepodge of different intentions all tangled up together. You can't infer much of anything from a small snippet, because the intention behind that snippet was likely relevant to a completely different origin codebase that was piled up into a compost heap to grow an LLM out of. It's actually harder to make sense of an LLM codebase because the intentions distract and confuse the reader -- just as with text, we implicitly assume that a generated artifact means the same thing as if a human wrote it, and it doesn't.

Re: Vibe coding creates a bus factor of zero

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Unfortunately the corporate machine has been converging on a bus factor of 0. I've been part of multiple teams now where I was the only one holding knowledge over critical subsystems and whenever I attempted to train people on it, it was futile. Mainly because they would get laid off doing 'cost-savings measures'. There were times where I was close to getting fed up and just quitting during some of the high profile o…

My guess? The AI companies will keep the free and $20/month plans to entice developers and their managers. They will have $200/month plans with bigger context windows to allow effective work on larger that toy codebases. But sooner or later companies with large scale projects are going to need a much larger context window, that _that_ will suddenly become a $200k/year/developer subscription. There's a lot of correlation between "institutional knowledge" and context window I think.

Re: Vibe coding creates a bus factor of zero

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The folks that think they can now suddenly program without any experience, and not need understand how their product works, are suffering from Dunning-Kruger syndrome. Actually, it is a much broader segment and includes product managers, executives, VCs and the general public.

Re: Vibe coding creates a bus factor of zero

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This guy thinks bus factors of zero started with ChatGPT. Hahahahahaha. Adorable. How many of you have asked about a process and been told that nobody knows how it works because the person who developed it left the company? There was a blog post at the top of HN about this, like, yesterday. I hate the current AI hype hothouse and everything it seems to be doing to the industry... but I couldn't help but laugh. The po…

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Re: Vibe coding creates a bus factor of zero

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This guy thinks bus factors of zero started with ChatGPT. Hahahahahaha. Adorable. How many of you have asked about a process and been told that nobody knows how it works because the person who developed it left the company? There was a blog post at the top of HN about this, like, yesterday. I hate the current AI hype hothouse and everything it seems to be doing to the industry... but I couldn't help but laugh. The po…

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Re: Vibe coding creates a bus factor of zero

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I agree with the premise and the conclusion, but over almost 20 years of writing, adapting and delivering software I've more than once been in exactly the same situation. Noone to ask, the only person even vaguely familiar with software development left half a year ago. Half of the processes have changed since the software was written, and the people who owned them have left, too. So while I agree that LLMs will accelerate this process, in my opinion it's not a new flavor, just more of an existing problem. Glad to see this kind of thinking though.
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