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Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

valiant55 wrote: post #79
Borgz wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny to say this when the article literally says "nothing wrong with mascots!" Out of curiosity, what did you read as hostility?

Oh I totally reacted to the title. The last few times Anubis has been the topic there's always comments about "cringy" mascot and putting that front and center in the title just made me believe that anime catgirls was meant as an insult.

Honestly I am okay with anime catgirls since I just find it funny but still it would be cool to see linux related stuff. Imagine mr tux penguin gif of him racing in like supertuxcart for the linux website.

sourcehut also uses anubis but they have removed the anime catgirl thing with their own logo, I think disroot also does that I am not sure though

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by jerf »

johnea wrote: post #50

My biggest bitch is that it requires JS and cookies... Although the long term problem is the business model of servers paying for all network bandwidth. Actual human users have consumed a minority of total net bandwidth for decades: https://www.atom.com/blog/internet-statistics/ Part 4 shows bots out using humans in 1996 8-/ What are "bots"? This needs to include goggleadservices, PIA sharing for profit, real-time ad…

"Although the long term problem is the business model of servers paying for all network bandwidth."

Servers do not "pay for all the network bandwidth" as if they are somehow being targeted for fees and carrying water for the clients that are somehow getting it for "free". Everyone pays for the bandwidth they use, clients, servers, and all the networks in between, one way or another. Nobody out there gets free bandwidth at scale. The AI scrapers are paying lots of money to scrape the internet at the scales they do.

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by avhon1 »

fluoridation wrote: post #43
jsnell wrote: post #39

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The human needs to wait for their computer to solve the challenge. You are trading something dirt-cheap (CPU time) for something incredibly expensive (human latency). Case in point: > If the challenge takes, say, 250 ms on the absolute best hardware, and serving a request takes 25 ms, a normal user won't even see a difference, while a scraper will see a tenfold slowdown while scraping that website. No. A human sees a…

>No. A human sees a 10x slowdown. For the actual request, yes. For the complete experience of using the website not so much, since a human will take at least several seconds to process the information returned. >And the scraper paid one 1/1000000th of a dollar. (The scraper does not care about latency.) The point need not be to punish the client, but to throttle it. The scraper may not care about taking longer, but t…

But now I have to wait several seconds before I can even start to process the webpage! It's like the internet suddenly became slow again overnight.

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by mikestew »

Animats wrote: post #73
Arnavion wrote: post #45

>This dance to get access is just a minor annoyance for me, but I question how it proves I’m not a bot. These steps can be trivially and cheaply automated. >I think the end result is just an internet resource I need is a little harder to access, and we have to waste a small amount of energy. No need to mimic the actual challenge process. Just change your user agent to not have "Mozilla" in it; Anubis only serves you…

> (Why do I do it? For most of them I don't enable JS so the challenge wouldn't pass anyway. For the ones that I do enable JS for, various self-hosted gitlab instances, I don't consent to my electricity being used for this any more than if it was mining Monero or something.) Hm. If your site is "sticky", can it mine Monero or something in the background? We need a browser warning: "This site is using your computer he…

We need a browser warning: "This site is using your computer heavily in a background task. Do you want to stop that?"

Doesn't Safari sort of already do that? "This tab is using significant power", or summat? I know I've seen that message, I just don't have a good repro.

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by busterarm »

rnhmjoj wrote: post #16

I don't understand, why do people resort to this tool instead of simply blocking by UA string or IP address. Are there so many people running these AI crawlers? I blackholed some IP blocks of OpenAI, Mistral and another handful of companies and 100% of this crap traffic to my webserver disappeared.

Lots of companies run these kind of crawlers now as part of their products.

They buy proxies and rotate through proxy lists constantly. It's all residential IPs, so blocking IPs actually hurts end users. Often it's the real IPs of VPN service customers, etc.

There are lots of companies around that you can buy this type of proxy service from.

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

tjhorner wrote: post #30
VMG wrote: post #24

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crawlers can run JS, and also invest into running the Proof-Of-JS better than you can

Anubis doesn't target crawlers which run JS (or those which use a headless browser, etc.) It's meant to block the low-effort crawlers that tend to make up large swaths of spam traffic. One can argue about the efficacy of this approach, but those higher-effort crawlers are out of scope for the project.

reminds of how wikipedia literally has all the data available even in a nice format just for scrapers (I think) and even THEN, there are some scrapers which still scraped wikipedia and actually made wikipedia lose some money so much that I am pretty sure that some official statement had to be made or they disclosed about it without official statement.

Even then, man I feel like you yourself can save on so many resources (both yours) and (wikipedia) if scrapers had the sense to not scrape wikipedia and instead follow wikipedia's rules

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