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Re: Digg.com is back

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Post by babypuncher »

haburka wrote: post #5

I think that social media has been a massive experiment where we asked, what if we let capital interests subvert our desire for community to get us to watch ads? And we have learned that it’s just not a good idea. I think perhaps Digg was one of the better ones but I solemnly wish social media was mostly illegal, especially advertising based, for profit sites. I think hacker news manages to be ok since it doesn’t rel…

I think algorithmically curated social media feeds should be regulated the way we do tobacco. Massive education campaigns and obnoxious labeling laws so that everyone and their dog knows it's toxic. Maybe take away their safe harbor while we're at it. The algorithm is a form of editorial control after all, so it can no longer be argued that these sites simply function as a "public square".

Re: Digg.com is back

#52

Post by giancarlostoro »

nemomarx wrote: post #34
giancarlostoro wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've thought about how I'd build one and I keep landing on content based ads, give me ads that target page content. You are already interested in the content you see, so why not. Generic "show everyone you can" ads should also be fine, and slightly discounted. But I do wonder if it would even be enough to keep the lights on.

you'd think Reddit could handle this, since subreddits are very narrow and coupled to interests. but I guess you'd also think a PC review site would be able to do the same thing and not show car ads or etc

The old internet used to be like this, you'd pick the type of ads you wanted on your site, so a lot of sites had ads that looked like the content on the site.

Re: Digg.com is back

#53

Post by xp84 »

phailhaus wrote: post #16
haburka wrote: post #5

I think that social media has been a massive experiment where we asked, what if we let capital interests subvert our desire for community to get us to watch ads? And we have learned that it’s just not a good idea. I think perhaps Digg was one of the better ones but I solemnly wish social media was mostly illegal, especially advertising based, for profit sites. I think hacker news manages to be ok since it doesn’t rel…

This doesn't make sense, since it's advertisers who are the ones putting pressure on sites like Twitter to stop spreading extremist content. The problem is that humans are extremely willing to enter echo chambers where they are told they are right all the time. That's what they will do by default. So if you optimize for engagement, they will radicalize themselves very quickly. If you figure out how to power a social…

> if you optimize for engagement, they will radicalize themselves very quickly.

Agree completely

> without ads, you will get something a hundred times worse than Facebook, because there will be no pressure to moderate content at all.

Disagree: without ads, moving the needle from “quite enjoyable” to “utterly addicting” doesn’t make your site twice as profitable. With ads it does. So the need that all social media has today, to promote ragebait and drive them to obsession is far, far less if you weren’t on an ad-based monetization.

> pressure to moderate content

We didn’t have censors in every living room in America before FB making sure you don’t say anything doubleplus ungood and yet political discourse is horrifying now compared to before. I question the need for “moderators” to combat wrongthink by deleting it.

Re: Digg.com is back

#54

Post by keketi »

monster_truck wrote: post #44
Wonnk13 wrote: post #15

I was a refugee of the Great Digg Migration to reddit some 14 or so years ago. old.reddit and adblockers as well as very aggressive curation of subreddits have kept it to an overall positive experience over the decade. I think overall I'm just less enthusiastic about the internet; everytime I come back from a week or two of backpacking without internet connection I realize how overstimulated with inane bullshit we al…

Every time someone mentions reddit 14 years ago all I can think about are all the admins that allowed r/jailbait on the front page. I honestly wouldn't tell people you used it then

> jailbait on the front page

Have you ever been to such websites as Instagram or TikTok?

Re: Digg.com is back

#55

Post by Havoc »

nailer wrote: post #37
Havoc wrote: post #8

Will be interesting to see if they manage to pull off a reboot of what is functionally a semi-tarnished brand.

The struggle isn't people remembering Digg badly, it's people not remembering Digg at all.

In which case why not go for branding that doesn't have baggage?

Re: Digg.com is back

#56

Post by jtbayly »

haburka wrote: post #5

I think that social media has been a massive experiment where we asked, what if we let capital interests subvert our desire for community to get us to watch ads? And we have learned that it’s just not a good idea. I think perhaps Digg was one of the better ones but I solemnly wish social media was mostly illegal, especially advertising based, for profit sites. I think hacker news manages to be ok since it doesn’t rel…

HN has advertising too. I don’t claim it’s the same, but let’s be accurate.

Re: Digg.com is back

#57

Post by phire »

Wonnk13 wrote: post #15

I was a refugee of the Great Digg Migration to reddit some 14 or so years ago. old.reddit and adblockers as well as very aggressive curation of subreddits have kept it to an overall positive experience over the decade. I think overall I'm just less enthusiastic about the internet; everytime I come back from a week or two of backpacking without internet connection I realize how overstimulated with inane bullshit we al…

I was an early refugee from Digg, been on reddit for 17 years now.

Aggressive curation of subreddits did help, but I fear the decent subreddits are slowly dying out. The modern iteration of site (It's more of an app these days) appears to attract the wrong type of users for the healthy conversations that I enjoy.

I am surprised how long reddit lasted, but I get the feeling it might not hold on to me for much longer.

Re: Digg.com is back

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Post by johng »

phire wrote: post #57
Wonnk13 wrote: post #15

I was a refugee of the Great Digg Migration to reddit some 14 or so years ago. old.reddit and adblockers as well as very aggressive curation of subreddits have kept it to an overall positive experience over the decade. I think overall I'm just less enthusiastic about the internet; everytime I come back from a week or two of backpacking without internet connection I realize how overstimulated with inane bullshit we al…

I was an early refugee from Digg, been on reddit for 17 years now. Aggressive curation of subreddits did help, but I fear the decent subreddits are slowly dying out. The modern iteration of site (It's more of an app these days) appears to attract the wrong type of users for the healthy conversations that I enjoy. I am surprised how long reddit lasted, but I get the feeling it might not hold on to me for much longer.

Old school forums dedicated to specific topics are still my go to these days.

Re: Digg.com is back

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Post by AdamJacobMuller »

Wonnk13 wrote: post #15

I was a refugee of the Great Digg Migration to reddit some 14 or so years ago. old.reddit and adblockers as well as very aggressive curation of subreddits have kept it to an overall positive experience over the decade. I think overall I'm just less enthusiastic about the internet; everytime I come back from a week or two of backpacking without internet connection I realize how overstimulated with inane bullshit we al…

Same here. I (proudly) had my account there banned for posting the AACS key.

Went to reddit and was not unhappy there for many years, but, aside from some targeted subreddits (/r/beagle!) I rarely spend any time on reddit anymore. The new reddit changes just feel user-hostile and they are aggressively pushing users away from old.reddit.com, it feels like a matter of time before they announce that they are killing old reddit.

Perhaps we are getting old but I also find happiness is inversely proportional to my time spent on social media.

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