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Re: Notion releases offline mode

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Post by jitl »

kevdoran wrote: post #49

I'm a little confused. They've supported offline for some time. Even published a very cool article last July about all the (considerable) challenges one runs into when going after making wasm-sqlite work: https://www.notion.com/blog/how-we-sped-up-notion-in-the-bro...

The article you posted doesn't mention "offline" at all. We use SQLite as a cache in the browser when available and in iOS/Android/desktop apps, but we didn't have any guarantee that a page you want offline is actually available offline.

It would "mostly work" offline before, but you could have cases where some blocks in a page aged out of the LRU, or they changed online in a way that invalidated the page but new content wasn't downloaded. When that happens we show a "go online to view" error instead of risking you viewing/editing a known-incorrect local snapshot of the page.

With "available offline", we now proactively download and keep up-to-date the content you want available offline. It will either work, or show an explicit error if things go wrong in the sync process. No more guesswork.

Re: Notion releases offline mode

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Post by paxys »

kepano wrote: post #51
Illniyar wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never heard of companies using Obsidian. Notion isn't really marketed or suitable for individuals (even if their free plan says otherwise).

That's somewhat true for team collaboration, but not if you consider individuals on teams. There are people at least 10,000 companies using Obsidian, and some large corporate sponsors. See obsidian.md/enterprise

I'm an "enterprise user" of Obsidian, but all I use it for is personal note taking at work. My company shows up on that page because I get them to pay for a commerical license. Outside of that it isn't an official internal tool. I don't use it to work on projects together with my teammates, for example.

Re: Notion releases offline mode

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Post by levmiseri »

jitl wrote: post #53
levmiseri wrote: post #45

For me one of the biggest issues with Notion (and to a smaller extent with Obsidian as well) is its ever present UI. When I write (or read) something, I don't want to see 20+ buttons scattered around distracting me from the content. IA writer got this right, but it's too local and doesn't have colab or better online sync features. Shameless plug – I'm building https://kraa.io/about that's trying to be a writing app w…

Notion should enter "keyboard mode" as you start to type and fade out the header bar. You'll still need to close the sidebar since it's quite busy and we don't fade it automatically since it has an explicit toggle. I guess if you're building your own there's still too much noise. Good luck!

Yeah, that's a nice touch. Though the reading experience is also important. Notion is obviously super powerful and a more cluttered UI is hence probably unavoidable.

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Post by rafram »

kepano wrote: post #51
Illniyar wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never heard of companies using Obsidian. Notion isn't really marketed or suitable for individuals (even if their free plan says otherwise).

That's somewhat true for team collaboration, but not if you consider individuals on teams. There are people at least 10,000 companies using Obsidian, and some large corporate sponsors. See obsidian.md/enterprise

Oracle has 162,000 employees, but because about 25 people total asked for reimbursement for licenses, they're on that page.

Re: Notion releases offline mode

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Post by rafram »

EGreg wrote: post #38
paxys wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obsidian is great for solo use, but then so is Apple Notes and a dozen similar options. Where Notion shines is team based sharing and collaboration. There's really nothing else like it with the same feature set.

What feature set exactly? Describe what makes it so amazing. Basically collaboration? Notes has that too.

https://www.notion.com/help/intro-to-databases

Re: Notion releases offline mode

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Post by solardev »

raincole wrote: post #60
tequila_shot wrote: post #2

I guess for a lot of users like myself using Notion ship has sailed. Most of them have moved to Obsidian, with the new database feature of Obsidian, and it being free, I do not see why users would choose Notion over Obsidian.

Tech-savvy people indeed do have some very interesting (while out of touch) perspectives.

Who needs SaaS when you can engrave your own punch cards?

Re: Notion releases offline mode

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Post by rafram »

roomey wrote: post #52
LostMyLogin wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note-taking, list making, and markdown friendly kind of describe obsidian. You can organize the files however you wish.

Zim wiki is brilliant. I've been using it for years. It's very extendable

> Zim handles several types of markup, like headings, bullet lists and of course bold, italic and highlighted.

OK, I think this may be a bit less powerful than Notion and Obsidian.

Re: Notion releases offline mode

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Post by solardev »

savolai wrote: post #14
ujkhsjkdhf234 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You need to get out of your bubble. Notion is so much more popular than Obsidian you cannot imagine. My dentist office uses Notion for example. Migrating out of Notion is also very difficult and for most people it isn't worth the hassle. Obsidian not being web based is also a con not a pro to the average person. The number of people leaving Notion for Obsidian is a rounding error.

Yep. Notion databases are also the best implementation seamless of ux I’ve seen for relational databases for end users. It could probably be made even smoother but I cannot imagine obsidian being competitive, having used it. Just too much hassle for things Notion handles smoothly. I would like to have more of the content available offline automatically though, i.e all text and image content, and big files downloaded…

> Notion databases are also the best implementation seamless of ux I’ve seen for relational databases for end users.

Have you ever tried Airtable? How does Notion compare?

Re: Notion releases offline mode

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Post by mmargenot »

tequila_shot wrote: post #2

I guess for a lot of users like myself using Notion ship has sailed. Most of them have moved to Obsidian, with the new database feature of Obsidian, and it being free, I do not see why users would choose Notion over Obsidian.

I like Obsidian a lot (especially for the ease of plugin development), but my impression is that most people don't use such comparatively heavy applications for managing their personal lives. It's more likely that they use a Google Keep or sticky notes just placed in random places. That leaves mostly enterprise use cases for such knowledge management tools, and Notion is much more full-featured for enterprise than Obsidian is.
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