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Apple has not destroyed Steve Jobs' vision for iPad

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Re: Apple has not destroyed Steve Jobs' vision for iPad

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Yeah, I really loved the clarity of the 2x2 product matrix Apple had immediately after Jobs' return: 2 desktops, 2 laptops, one "consumer" and one "pro." Of course there were configuration variations within those broad categories as well. I realize we don't live in that world anymore, though.

> return: 2 desktops, 2 laptops, one "consumer" and one "pro” Isn’t this 2 x 2 x 2?

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Re: Apple has not destroyed Steve Jobs' vision for iPad

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Yeah, I really loved the clarity of the 2x2 product matrix Apple had immediately after Jobs' return: 2 desktops, 2 laptops, one "consumer" and one "pro." Of course there were configuration variations within those broad categories as well. I realize we don't live in that world anymore, though.

> return: 2 desktops, 2 laptops, one "consumer" and one "pro” Isn’t this 2 x 2 x 2?

iMac | Power Mac

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iBook | PowerBook

Re: Apple has not destroyed Steve Jobs' vision for iPad

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Apple has "App Sandbox" and an entitlement system on the Mac: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/security/app-sandb... It's "baked in" and doesn't require containers.

Isn’t this only enforced for Mac App Store apps?

I've read that apps outside of the Mac App Store can use it. I think they have to be signed / notarized.

Re: Apple has not destroyed Steve Jobs' vision for iPad

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I broadly agree with this thesis - I don't think there's a "betrayal" of a vision (and even if there had been, who really cares?) - but I do think Apple's vision has got muddled. My problem is we're not all talking about the same thing when we talk about "The iPad". Right now, on sale today, there are four iPads to choose from. No, not different colours, or memory sizes - you need to make a choice between the Mini, t…

The confusing choices are deliberate way to exploit psychology of potential buyers into up-selling themselves. The idea is to entice them by the more reasonable base price, but use the uncertainty on if it will really meet their needs to push them up a ladder of upgrades. Maybe the 16e sounds good at $599. But, it might be a bit underpowered, so maybe you should just upgrade to the 15 at $699. Then it is only $100 mo…

This is a weird way of saying that Apple offers a phone at every price point.

How is it consumer-hostile to offer upgrades at an increased cost?

Re: Apple has not destroyed Steve Jobs' vision for iPad

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I remember when the first iPad was in development, there was a lot of speculation about how Apple would solve the "large touchscreen keyboard" problem. Typing on a large touchscreen was hard, just blowing up a iphone keyboard wouldn't cut it. It'd be too large for thumb typing, but you also couldn't type on it like a physical keyboard, it would be awkward hovering over the touchscreen and you couldn't hold it while y…

The blown up keyboard worked for as much typing as many do on it. I’m using a virtual keyboard on a 2019 iPad Pro to write this comment in fact.

Re: Apple has not destroyed Steve Jobs' vision for iPad

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The confusing choices are deliberate way to exploit psychology of potential buyers into up-selling themselves. The idea is to entice them by the more reasonable base price, but use the uncertainty on if it will really meet their needs to push them up a ladder of upgrades. Maybe the 16e sounds good at $599. But, it might be a bit underpowered, so maybe you should just upgrade to the 15 at $699. Then it is only $100 mo…

This is a weird way of saying that Apple offers a phone at every price point. How is it consumer-hostile to offer upgrades at an increased cost?

I think the only one I could agree with exists for upselling is the 16e. I really don't know who that phone is for, it's missing some of the most basic features like MagSafe that will probably disappoint customers who bought it not knowing their iPhone won't work with accessories that previously you could trust work with every iPhone. I guess maybe a grandparent who barely uses their phone it would be fine, but other than that it seems like it just exists so Apple can say the iPhone lineup starts at $599 and then sell you a 15/16.

Re: Apple has not destroyed Steve Jobs' vision for iPad

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The confusing choices are deliberate way to exploit psychology of potential buyers into up-selling themselves. The idea is to entice them by the more reasonable base price, but use the uncertainty on if it will really meet their needs to push them up a ladder of upgrades. Maybe the 16e sounds good at $599. But, it might be a bit underpowered, so maybe you should just upgrade to the 15 at $699. Then it is only $100 mo…

This is a weird way of saying that Apple offers a phone at every price point. How is it consumer-hostile to offer upgrades at an increased cost?

It isn't as bad as some practices, for sure. The question is how likely are the 'upgrades' actually upgrading anything for the user? Will the extra camera on the Pro be $100 of utility for the user over the lifetime of the device? Or are they using the uncertainty that the user _might_ get a use out of that camera to push to a higher model.

It seems mostly an exercise in price discrimination. You always have a slightly higher price point, and some extra functionality to justify it, and the customer will likely push themselves up to the maximum they are willing to spend instead of settling on the cheapest option that meets their needs.

Re: Apple has not destroyed Steve Jobs' vision for iPad

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I remember when the first iPad was in development, there was a lot of speculation about how Apple would solve the "large touchscreen keyboard" problem. Typing on a large touchscreen was hard, just blowing up a iphone keyboard wouldn't cut it. It'd be too large for thumb typing, but you also couldn't type on it like a physical keyboard, it would be awkward hovering over the touchscreen and you couldn't hold it while y…

Weird. I bought the first iPad and loved the big keyboard. I was much faster using it than I was on a phone. Particularly with the magnetic case, I found I could set it up like a physical keyboard and take notes in lectures, but unlike most keyboards it was silent. I made lots of mistakes, but autocorrect fixed most of them.

I don’t really get what the iPad is for either, but you should at least consider that Apple decided that “big keyboard” was the best option.

Re: Apple has not destroyed Steve Jobs' vision for iPad

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Apple has "App Sandbox" and an entitlement system on the Mac: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/security/app-sandb... It's "baked in" and doesn't require containers.

Isn’t this only enforced for Mac App Store apps?

I want to just say "yes, obviously". But "obviously" is carrying a lot of weight there. For a TLDR: I think Apple has already gone too far in prioritizing security over the priorities of multimedia editors (e.g., https://insydium.ltd/support-home/manuals/x-particles-video-...).

But something like the After Effects plugin ecosystem I don't think could ever be sandboxed. So it makes sense to have sandboxing conditional based on certain criteria, e.g., the Mac App Store. But even there I'm not sure it makes sense, I suspect we'll never see a Mac-first tier 1 new creative application like Sketch (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sketch_(software)), purely because it's to detrimental to the priorities of that kind of app.

Re: Apple has not destroyed Steve Jobs' vision for iPad

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I remember when the first iPad was in development, there was a lot of speculation about how Apple would solve the "large touchscreen keyboard" problem. Typing on a large touchscreen was hard, just blowing up a iphone keyboard wouldn't cut it. It'd be too large for thumb typing, but you also couldn't type on it like a physical keyboard, it would be awkward hovering over the touchscreen and you couldn't hold it while y…

It has essentially always been possible to split the iPad keyboard or have it be iPhone sized and floating. Both are a good experience
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