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Re: Walkie-Textie Wireless Communicator

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If you want something like this with asymmetric encryption, a qwerty keyboard, mesh range extension, and a GUI, try a T-Deck running Meshtastic.

Isn't there a ban on encrypted amateur signals? Or is this running on a band that allows for it?

LoRa is surely mostly for machine to machine, Internet Of Things. There are lots of web pages that take it for granted that encrypted communications are not merely allowed but expected.

See, for instance

https://lora-alliance.org/security/

Re: Walkie-Textie Wireless Communicator

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I'm backwoods camping next week, and we have 25 people spread out over three sites. I was thinking it would be funny to bring some old rotary dial phones and some sort of way of hooking them up, and then just have that as the intercom between sites for when dinner is ready or whatever.

It's next week, so unlikely to happen and I'm not sure what technology I would need to make it all work. Something like Lora plus a way to make the phones work.

Re: Walkie-Textie Wireless Communicator

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Actually I have/had a lot of these. They can only be used with triple a batteries and don't last long. The usb c is only for development (and still lacks power so you still need batteries). The typing as maybe expected gets tiring. I tried using different compression ideas to save characters.

There is no resend or reliability in the message sending. If it fails you must retype it. I can't remember exactly if it even indicates it fails? I remember testing with two devices, one in a faraday to test bad conditions.

In the end they got salvaged for parts from my kids for other projects.

The goal was to have a simple backup/emergency communication device and get to learn about LoRa. Not sure which other devices I will try but definitely know more what to look for now.

Re: Walkie-Textie Wireless Communicator

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It's a real shame phones don't have something like this built in. I mean, we literally have satellite communication in every iPhone – or, depending on how you count, every LTE phone, period! Technically, it seems like 90% of what's required is already there anyway, but due to commercial and political pressures, we'll probably never see it happen.

There's a lot of cool radio-related things our smartphones could do but probably never will for regulatory/political/commercial reasons like you note. My pet idea is to make some use of longwave! You know those time signals broadcast around 60 kHz? They cover thousands of kilometres from one transmitter. At 60 kHz the wavelength is 5 kilometres long and the RF tends to diffract around objects like mountains, building…

Some countries already do this!

For example, the German LF time signal, DCF77, dedicates some of its "spare bits" to broadcast civil protection and weather forecast information, the latter of which many simple LCD "home weather station" thermometers can receive and decode.

GNSS (navigation satellite systems like GPS or Galileo) are also an obvious candidate for this, given that essentially all phones already can receive their signals.

Re: Walkie-Textie Wireless Communicator

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A question for folks who know things I don't: if I wanted my phones to work in an area without cell signal, for just me and my family, is it possible to build a "personal" cell tower that our phones would just connect to and work, and allow us to text each other? Or is there a whole layer of auth required for our various phones to actually be able to use a fake network?

Re: Walkie-Textie Wireless Communicator

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It's a real shame phones don't have something like this built in. I mean, we literally have satellite communication in every iPhone – or, depending on how you count, every LTE phone, period! Technically, it seems like 90% of what's required is already there anyway, but due to commercial and political pressures, we'll probably never see it happen.

There's an app called Rattlegram that will convert data into audio that you can then send over a walkie talkie.

I wish the hardware was included directly in the phone. It would be super useful for outdoor activities where there's no cell service and you often end up just out of yelling distance.

Re: Walkie-Textie Wireless Communicator

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a lot of cool radio-related things our smartphones could do but probably never will for regulatory/political/commercial reasons like you note. My pet idea is to make some use of longwave! You know those time signals broadcast around 60 kHz? They cover thousands of kilometres from one transmitter. At 60 kHz the wavelength is 5 kilometres long and the RF tends to diffract around objects like mountains, building…

> My pet idea is to make some use of longwave! […] At 60 kHz the wavelength is 5 kilometres long … Dim memory from my Ham Radio days that you’d need an antenna length of 1/4 the wavelength, which wouldn’t be very convenient for portable devices, unfortunately.

Only for most efficient transmission. Reception just scales with antenna size, so as long as your transmitter is powerful enough in terms of effectively radiated power, you can make the receiver arbitrarily small.

Many wristwatches are capable of receiving these LF time beacons, despite usually having antennas more compact than several kilometers.

Re: Walkie-Textie Wireless Communicator

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I've tried and tried to use LoRA devices w/ meshtastic for various things, and can't get them to communicate reliably. Even with two devices sitting next to each other. Not even working reliably enough to be used as a toy. What am I doing wrong?

Re: Walkie-Textie Wireless Communicator

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A question for folks who know things I don't: if I wanted my phones to work in an area without cell signal, for just me and my family, is it possible to build a "personal" cell tower that our phones would just connect to and work, and allow us to text each other? Or is there a whole layer of auth required for our various phones to actually be able to use a fake network?

Not really. This stuff is heavily NDA and patent encumbered. You’d be better off setting up a local wifi network and using an IP based audio call system.
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