The "Occupy Mars" t-shirt is awesome! :D
I agree. Anyone know if there's anywhere I can order one? A quick google search turns up a much lamer version[1].
[1]: http://www.cafepress.ca/+occupy_mars_34_sleeve_tshirt_dark,6...
In deep with Tesla CEO Elon Musk
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#23Who am I to criticize Elon Musk, but several things in this interview seemed puzzling to me, and concerning if I were an investor in Tesla. And I'm not even talking about the explicit discussions of their corporate finances. > ... deliver cars to customers who have been waiting for a long time If the demand for Tesla cars at a given price point exceeds their supply, shouldn't they be charging more? > Q: Have you had…
He creates culture of perfectionism. A car doesn't have to perfect to drive from point A to B. But it has to perfect if they want to build valuable brand.
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#24I think Elon Musk has surpassed Steve Jobs as the best entrepreneur of the century (IMHO)
Oh my gosh no. Elon hasn't changed the world anywhere NEAR as much as Steve.
Here's what I think everyone can agree with: we don't want conversations on HN that amount to pissing contests between fans of different celebrity figures. There is little insight to be had here.
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#25It's amazing just how real Elon Musk is -- he doesn't sugar coat answers and isn't furtive when describing Tesla's many weaknesses, unlike most other automaker CEOs.
The most important thing is that the stock doesn't fall even when he says these things that shouldn't be said. Indicating approval of his style. Or how insignificance it is compared to missing delivery target.
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#26> But if you work for Tesla, the minimum is really a 50-hour week and there are times when it'll be 60- to 80-hour weeks. And we recently saw statistics here on HN proving that working more than 40 hours/week for long durations is counter-productive. Alas, I'm sorry to see Elon Musk falling for this "tough men work hard" nonsense.
It's not considered 'work'. You're counting hours as if the 40 hour ceiling is of importance; no offense but it doesn't seem like you understand passion.
Bullshit. When you're piling long hours, you make many mistakes, and that's totally independent from your passion, interest of whatever. This is just being tired.
BTW in 1998 I've worked 100+ hours/week for a few months; it ended in the hospital. So I think I've seen that from the inside, too.
As a high level knowledge worker (CEO or CTO), I may "work" for long hours getting informed on the latest trends reading HN. I can be in the office, or in the shower, ir running in the woods thinking about my next product. Heck, I can even be working, golfing with an important customer. By this metric of course I work 120 hours a week (though I spend at most 40 hours a week in the office).
However when you're typing in code, or carefully assembling a car engine, if you work too much you'll simply make more errors. This has been verified many times. It's absolutely not debatable. If you want to believe it's not this way, you're deluding yourself, and that's not good, don't do that.
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
Statistics aren't people. In other words, Your Mileage May Vary.
I imagine this varies with the kind of work. I suspect creative work degrades more quickly beyond 40 hours/week than repetetive work does.
Actually fatigue means that people doing repetitive work are extremely prone to error and worse, wounding themselves past a number of hours (depending upon the job). There's a reason there are laws forbidding truck drivers and plane pilots piling in hours.
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#28> But if you work for Tesla, the minimum is really a 50-hour week and there are times when it'll be 60- to 80-hour weeks. And we recently saw statistics here on HN proving that working more than 40 hours/week for long durations is counter-productive. Alas, I'm sorry to see Elon Musk falling for this "tough men work hard" nonsense.
I suspect that people who expect and look forward to working +50 hours/week would perform much better than people who are guilted into it. Also sounds like they're well compensated for it. I liked his "special forces" analogy.
People who want to be pilots love flying. Nonetheless they're not allowed to fly more than a number of hours, because passion, motivation and whatever you want won't prevent you from messing up when you're tired.
Amphetamines were invented for the military and particularly the special ops, mind you. As you know they come with their problems, too.
So please stop bullshitting yourself. As much as I like and respect Elon Musk, when he says this he's full of shit, plain and simple. Asking mechanics to work long hours building cars is terrible management. No wonder he finds defaults on each and every car.
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#29> But if you work for Tesla, the minimum is really a 50-hour week and there are times when it'll be 60- to 80-hour weeks. And we recently saw statistics here on HN proving that working more than 40 hours/week for long durations is counter-productive. Alas, I'm sorry to see Elon Musk falling for this "tough men work hard" nonsense.
Ironic?
I'm dead serious.
http://blogs.hbr.org/hbsfaculty/2012/06/stop-working-all-tho...
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#30I must say, I've been on the wall about the Model S, being a hard-core auto enthusiast and really loving my gears (e.g. I only drive stick shift). But this interview, the revelation that Elon Musk is out there personally inspecting each and every car (well, more or less), that the guy designing my cars is even more of an anal-retentive OC-freak than I am who won't laugh and scoff at me like the guy at the Audi dealership did when I pointed out the flaws in the cockpit of the RS5 (which I consider to have one of the best-engineered cockpits of consumer cars, being both practical and well-designed) has really changed my mind.