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Show HN: NextDNS Adds "Bypass Age Verification"

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Re: Show HN: NextDNS Adds "Bypass Age Verification"

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Post by Spivak »

petcat wrote: post #36
freedomben wrote: post #6

It may not be effective in the long term, but I think it's very much worth doing. The privacy nightmare of uploading government docs is appalling and should be resisted by all who can, so I think you're doing great work. If it provokes regulators to push harder, they might just get enough attention from voters to motivate a change. That would be my hope anyway

> More and more sites (especially adult ones) are now forcing users to upload IDs or selfies to continue. > they might just get enough attention from voters to motivate a change Unfortunately, guaranteeing anonymous internet porno is a terrible political beachhead to motivate "voters" to do anything.

You don't have to sell it like that. The bill that needs to be passed is default presumption that all websites on the internet not explicitly marked as such and who voluntarily accept a higher legal burden and standard of moderation may contain content not suitable for children. And that is up to parents to control their child's internet access to limit their usage to only these sites.

Because I don't actually care about pornography, if it magically disappeared I wouldn't really care, it's all the other "not suitable for kids" content I care about that will get caught up in these laws. I don't want to give gross concern troll political groups moralizing about their precious hypothetical children the legal tools to ban what they don't like.

Re: Show HN: NextDNS Adds "Bypass Age Verification"

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Post by RiverCrochet »

pas wrote: post #41
petcat wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> must not host, share or permit content that encourages use of VPNs to get around age checks. The government has also told the BBC it would be illegal for platforms to do so Holy. Crap. I knew the UK was going off the deep end with these laws, but this actually looks like China-level government reach.

next step is to try to make VPNs illegal (or require age verification for them, of course)

Age verification for VPNs would be awesome. I would rather hand ID over to a VPN provider than individual sites I visit.

Re: Show HN: NextDNS Adds "Bypass Age Verification"

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Post by MistahKoala »

perihelions wrote: post #8

As a remark, not a criticism, such a deliberate promotion is probably illegal in the UK market, > "But Ofcom says platforms required to introduce "highly effective" methods to check user age must not host, share or permit content that encourages use of VPNs to get around age checks. The government has also told the BBC it would be illegal for platforms to do so." https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn72ydj70g5o

NextDNS isn't a content platform required to have age checks, so no, that prohibition doesn't apply here and promoting the bypass feature isn't 'probably illegal'.

Re: Show HN: NextDNS Adds "Bypass Age Verification"

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Post by ltbarcly3 »

smallnix wrote: post #30
ltbarcly3 wrote: post #26

Presenting government ID to random entities is literally what government ID's exist for. Paranoia about this is silly. Additionally, intentionally aiding someone (especially a minor) in circumventing the law is very likely to not be legal, especially when legality is largely determined by a jury, and especially^2 when the facts of the case against you are the most egregious that the government can find, especially^3…

Please post a link to a picture of your national ID. /s

I've had to upload my ID card to send money, open a bank account online, verify my identity for a dating app, book an international flight, and ironically to register for the app to have an electronic version of my id on my phone, and weirdly to pay a traffic ticket (why do they care who pays it?), get a discount on my Amazon Prime subscription, and finally to reset my password for my ID.me login for government websites. So all of those are 'fine' I guess, but god forbid you upload it to a third party verification service (the same one that was used for one or more of the above cases where I uploaded my id) to watch pornography, that's where we draw the line?

You are being absurd.

I don't agree with this requirement, but I'm also not so dishonest that I would pretend that it's a security issue.

Re: Show HN: NextDNS Adds "Bypass Age Verification"

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Post by thaumasiotes »

pyuser583 wrote: post #24

I'm a parent, and I try to keep my kids from the Internet in general, but adult parts in particular. VPN's are great for this. Just install the VPN, have it block access to adult sites, and have it alert me of any suspicious attempts. It's bewildering how VPN companies have branded their technology as "anti-censorship" and "privacy-focused." VPN's are a censor's best friend. DNS services are taking the opposite appro…

> VPN's are great for this. Just install the VPN, have it block access to adult sites, and have it alert me of any suspicious attempts.

> It's bewildering how VPN companies have branded their technology as "anti-censorship" and "privacy-focused." VPN's are a censor's best friend.

You're already using a router. That's where you would normally implement blocks.

A VPN necessarily does the same thing, and so you can implement routing blocks there too. But this is like saying that a virtual machine is a great technology to run software. OK. Why do you want a virtual one?

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