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Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity patch in baffling move

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Re: Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity patch in baffling move

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It's not free labor, they already got paid for it. They just fucked it up the first time.

Nope. It requires new hardware installed.

Hardware which should have been there in the first place.

They will also be charging elevated dealership prices for thag labor.

Re: Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity patch in baffling move

#52

“Gameboy-like device” - are they referring to Flipper Zeros with the firmware to exploit RF rolling codes? https://www.rtl-sdr.com/flipperzero-darkweb-firmware-bypasse...

More than likely

No, they don't. You need to read the article. It says such devices cost $20k.

Re: Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity patch in baffling move

#53
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I think you significantly overestimate people’s expectations for automobiles.

I'm not talking about individuals' expectations for how long they personally will use a given vehicle, but rather societal expectations for how long a given vehicle will live across all tiers of the market. The cell phone made-to-be-ewaste model shouldn't be allowed to infect capital assets costing 100x as much.

Yes, and the scrappage rate is about 4.5%. A 40 year old car is not the norm.

Re: Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity patch in baffling move

#54
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This is why, back when I owned a Jeep, I never locked it. Figured if someone wanted the 85 cents in change that badly I'd rather they not take a knife to my (plastic) windows.

The "Kia Boyz" saga was primarily motivated by theft of the vehicle itself, not the contents of the vehicle.

Right, and even un-sexy and inexpensive vehicles get targeted these days, because they can be used as tools to commit other crimes, not just a commodity to be resold or scavenged.

Re: Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity patch in baffling move

#55
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I don't even like Hyundai. What's "unrealistic and childish" is expecting free labour.

It seems like you don't like Hyundai. What's childish is your resort to ad hominem because you disagree. It's not free labor anymore than the car was free. It's a fix of product that was defective off of the line. The necessity of the fix being evidence of the defect. Car buyers are not automotive cybersecurity engineers, and they can never be expected to be. Caveat Emptor is a hilarious remark for this situation.

Is it a defect if it required the development of an adversarial tool / exploit which previously did not exist? If the roof leaked when it's raining it's a defect because rain existed before. But this exploit didn't exist before.

Re: Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity patch in baffling move

#56
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not talking about individuals' expectations for how long they personally will use a given vehicle, but rather societal expectations for how long a given vehicle will live across all tiers of the market. The cell phone made-to-be-ewaste model shouldn't be allowed to infect capital assets costing 100x as much.

Yes, and the scrappage rate is about 4.5%. A 40 year old car is not the norm.

At 4.5% loss per year, you'd still have 16% of cars running at 40 years. That's pretty normal.

Re: Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity patch in baffling move

#57
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not talking about individuals' expectations for how long they personally will use a given vehicle, but rather societal expectations for how long a given vehicle will live across all tiers of the market. The cell phone made-to-be-ewaste model shouldn't be allowed to infect capital assets costing 100x as much.

Yes, and the scrappage rate is about 4.5%. A 40 year old car is not the norm.

That's why I gave a range. That average stat actually seems to line up with the low end of that range, and since every car isn't scrapped at the same age it's going to be a distribution. There are not many cars from 1985 on the road today, but there sure are some. And since we're talking software which doesn't actually degrade, it shouldn't be the thing limiting the overall lifetime.

Re: Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity patch in baffling move

#58
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I understand that development costs are not free, and there's extra hardware involved, but IMO they should take this as marketing cost.

Yeah, I considered an ionic the last time I was getting a car. Now I’ll never again consider them.

The Kia Boys stuff, child labor, and ICCU failures weren't enough? The Ioniq 5 absolutely looks like a compelling car but from my POV Hyundai seems hell bent on snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Re: Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity patch in baffling move

#59

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I don't think the patch is hardware. The hardware they're talking about is the "Gameboy like device" that runs the exploit.

> The Verge now reports that Hyundai is offering a security patch for this issue through software and hardware upgrades to Ioniq 5 customers. You do a hardware upgrade on the car to patch the vulnerability.

The etymology of patch harkens back to Larry Wall's UNIX patch tool for applying diffs to a source code base.
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