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US Wholesale Inflation Rises by Most in 3 Years

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Re: US Wholesale Inflation Rises by Most in 3 Years

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What you really need to understand about inflation, is that we've had particularly exceptionally low long-term inflation in America for the last 50 years, outside of stagflation in the '70s. And this is all enabled by globalization and global trade. Globalization fundamentally provides arbitrage for two things. Labor costs, and environmental regulation. Because there were a lot of poor desperate countries that would…

>Globalization is fundamentally enabled by the US Navy and US military supremacy guaranteeing shipping trade on the oceans. >This has not been the historical Norm. It's actually historical anomaly caused by the power vacuum of world war II, and secondarily by the fact that the Cold war was between the US and maritime power and Russia, who are effectively landlocked. >This combined with American lack of enthusiasm for…

I like a lot of wood Zion says especially since it provokes thought. He is a hot take internet guy.

Do I really think China is going to disappear over demographics? I think if you would gone back to the 1980s he would have looked at the Japanese demographics and said the same thing.

Japan is still around and it's doing fine.

Are we going to see privateers and one eyed captains pirating international trade like he once predicted? Not in the age of carriers.

But what navies can do is they can harass ships: board them, inspect them, delay them. Arbitrarily close shopping lanes and force them to take other routes (China could do this to make their exports preferable to say Vietnams).

Zeihan parrots a lot of other geopolitical thought and international relations thought. The general question post cold war was when the US will go isolationist. I believe largely that did not happen because US industrials wanted offshore production for cheap labor. So the US maintained its global focus.

With China, and Xi in particular, doing the things that they are doing to him in capitalism in China, that is forcing a reevaluation of companies have their production.

Sure. You could move it to Vietnam or Malaysia or Thailand or various countries like that, but that still places them within the Chinese military sphere.

When you consider that we have a country like Mexico south of our border which is extremely productive, more productive than practically any other country. We currently have our production outsourced to any degree, why not move our production to Mexico?

Most of our natural resources, especially with the discovery of shale oil in The Dakotas is sourceable from the northern hemisphere.

But we'll see what happens

Re: US Wholesale Inflation Rises by Most in 3 Years

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What you really need to understand about inflation, is that we've had particularly exceptionally low long-term inflation in America for the last 50 years, outside of stagflation in the '70s. And this is all enabled by globalization and global trade. Globalization fundamentally provides arbitrage for two things. Labor costs, and environmental regulation. Because there were a lot of poor desperate countries that would…

> But essentially what Trump is doing is in line with everything I've described. No. Trump's tariffs are too unfocused to accomplish any goal besides increasing American inflation from what I've read. Trump's tariffs on raw materials, metals, etc make no sense whatsoever. Motivating the creation of new mines or refining facilities should have been done through subsidies, possibly combined with promise of future tarif…

I didn't say it would be effective. My point is that it is thematically aligned. I agree that it is counterproductive assuming that was what his goal is.

Our military budget remains a comically bad allocation of funds. If we're going to be isolationist and we are, we should cut our number of carrier groups in half and throw all of that money into subsidies.

Re: US Wholesale Inflation Rises by Most in 3 Years

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I assume you never tried looking at the price of gold in the 80s and 90s? i.e. it declined in nominal rates and collapsed by almost 4x if adjusted by CPI

I don't see how that conflicts with my point. The period from Jan 1978 to Jan 1982 was a momentary spike, peaking January 1980, which was nearly 3 times the long term average from 1971 to 2008. If you set that as your baseline, everything looks like a massive decline, but really the average was quite stable from 1982 to 2004. Note that the period of the spike in gold price (1978 to 1982) was a period of extremely hig…

> but really the average was quite stable from 1982 to 2004

It was falling at a stable pace for 20 years in nominal terms. I don’t see how can someone see anything else looking at the price chart.

And inflation was still 4-5% through the 80s and didn’t fall to 2% until 2000. So it was a horrible asset to hold.

Just buying government bonds in the 80s and 90s was a much better idea.

Re: US Wholesale Inflation Rises by Most in 3 Years

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That is the rise from one year ago in the "less-volatile PPI metric that excludes food, energy and trade services". This month was a 0.6% rise. So some people might think about how more months of 0.6% rise would cause the yearly one to increase gradually, up to 7.2% eventually if there are 12x 0.6% months. That would be pretty high. And then headline figure PPI was even higher at 0.9% for the month, 3.3% year.

0.6% of monthly inflation wouldn't be 7.2% you can't multiply like that. So the real number would be 1.006^12=7.44% And over 7% inflation is a bit more than 'pretty high' that's getting really scary if there's no clear outside reason for it

Of course...dang it!

Re: US Wholesale Inflation Rises by Most in 3 Years

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It’s really not https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/APU000074714 This is only the nominal price, I can’t find the inflation adjusted graph, but I assume it’s clear that if the nominal price now is the same as several other periods over 10 years ago, then the gas today is cheaper over inflation adjusted dollar

it really is https://www.macrotrends.net/1369/crude-oil-price-history-cha... Note 10 years ago is 2015. The period over 10 years ago is the period of extremely high prices under discussion(mid 2000s to 2014)

I’m going to have disagree you on describing a 10 year timespan with multiple peaks and valleys, as a unique time, especially when it’s the same price as today

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> What you really need to understand about inflation, is that we've had particularly exceptionally low long-term inflation in America for the last 50 years, outside of stagflation in the '70s. What you really need to understand is that we can, and we must absolutely, generally and non-exceptionally have low inflation at all times. There's absolutely no sane reason to have high inflation in a low-corruption financial…

Do you think I'm advocating for inflation as an institution? History is history. Maybe you think AI is going to herald in some era of non-inflation and free people from the control of the ultra rich. It's pretty apparent to me that AI isn't going to do that. It's going to do very very very very very much the opposite. I agree that disruption of trade leads to wars. Usually of very large scale but we haven't had one o…

> [Trump... Biden... ]

I've never mentioned either, nor do I assume what you think about them.

> So generally the overall political trend in the United States is to be like this.

The question I'm pondering isn't "what the trend is to be" but rather "why it has to change". Thinking about who and how could change it should wait, lest we end up putting the cart before the horse.

> You could ignore history if you want and hope for something different.

Being careful about not falling into the same traps as before isn't "ignoring history", it's learning from history, which is mostly the opposite of repeating it, because repeating the same thing with the same bad result is the definition of idiocy.

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The Democrats have functionally done nothing about global warming in the last thirty years except released even more CO2 in hot air paying lip service Yes, one is worse than the other. But in terms of real environmental policy, they are functionally the same.

I'm really puzzled how you claim to this conclusion. The positions and policies of the last two Democratic administrations are pretty well-known. They are trivially googlable. Or you can ask AI to summarize them for you. Off the top of my head, without going to Google I can think of Obama's CAFE standards and Biden's Inflation Reduction Act. When multiple independent research groups show that the impact of implementi…

Who is the preeminent manufacturer of solar PV and electric vehicles in the world?

How is our charging infrastructure compared to say Europe's?

Considering we've had the technology for almost 30 years now, why isn't practically every consumer vehicle a phev?

I'm not going to believe any projected carbon emissions. I'm going to believe real carbon emissions that get measured. Hey, guess what? They are still going up.

I get that they were solar subsidies, but it's my strong opinion that there should have been unrefusable subsidies for home solar. I get so sick of the utility people complaining about how hard it's going to be to adapt the grid to alternative energy. Yet in the same time they bad mouth home solar which basically alleviates grid load.

There still is no effective policy implementations on reducing sprawl, except that which simply resists building housing in general.

And while I generally think nuclear energy isn't really an effective solution for clean energy, it should still be aggressively researched, although I think they should be chasing lftrs like China is.

You can say a lot of these are simply politically infeasible. That speaks more to the nature of the Democrats being a corporatist party than anything. a lot of these policies, especially ones around alternative energy and transport electrification which would functionally drop the price of energy and transportation, a key driver to economic growth in the long term, should have been a strong sell overall to the business lobby in general.

I'm not going to disagree that the only place that you're going to get some environmental progress is the Democratic party.

My point is that progress is mostly for show.

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I’m always shocked at how many economics experts there are on a tech forum!

Is anti-intellectualism really the look you're going for?

That’s funny, I’m looking for intellectual honesty. And honestly admitting no one here really has any fucking clue about global trade, economic effects, and policy would be a good start.

Nah.. “I’m an intellectual, I read tech blogs and listen to NPR… I’ve never made anything outside of a computer program, but listen to my opinion on tariffs that happens to align with all my media sources!”

Re: US Wholesale Inflation Rises by Most in 3 Years

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Honesty would require admitting that the parties are different. They are not the same, they have different values, and we can see that by who gains and loses power in the party. Which actions are unacceptable, and which actions are rewarded. The difference is stark!

He is just lying. His edit shows that he isn’t actually focused on both sides but is trying to muddy the waters to blame specifically democrats. He couldn’t even keep the mask on for two statements

You assume a lot my boy
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