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When the CIA got away with building a heart attack gun

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Re: When the CIA got away with building a heart attack gun

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This article is about the Church Committee, if you're interested in the heart attack gun see: https://allthatsinteresting.com/heart-attack-gun Also it's interesting to note how Russia doesn't use a gun like this, they spike drinks/food or spray it on surfaces like doorknobs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgarian_umbrella is basically the same thing and your linked article mentions the CIA stole the idea from the Russians.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was claims of a possible cancer "gun". See https://www.ibtimes.com/hugo-chavez-says-us-could-be-giving-...

There's a very silly article. The basis is old people in Latin America getting cancer and a paranoid dictator blaming the US.

Given the already verifiable history of the CIA in Latin America, I'd give any paranoid dictator the benefit of the doubt.

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> Yet completely ignores how the Biden administration tried to force every American into getting experimental mRNA vaccines with no long term safety data, or else you lose your job. And you weren't allowed to sue the vaccine manufacturer. And now Americans just sort of forgot about all that.

This is because of the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, which provides compensation to people who are injured by vaccines in exactly the situation you're describing. I would encourage you to Google it. You don't sue the vaccine manufacturer, you file a claim and get a payout. RFK is trying to end this program, which would basically make it impossible to develop new vaccines.

Americans did not "forget" about that, because most Americans have no clue this program even exists.

They also lack the expertise to individually verify that a vaccine is safe, or even weight long-term potential health risks against the short term necessity of a vaccine.

By the time the vaccines were approved for public use, they were also no longer "experimental" because the FDA HAD experimented with them and deemed them safe.

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Wasn't this only possible because Trump enacted "Operation Warp Speed?"

Shh, quiet; those narratives aren’t going to support themselves. That’s an awful lot of whataboutism crammed into GP’s comment.

Re: When the CIA got away with building a heart attack gun

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The information in the article is shocking and disturbing, and largely known to most informed people. So I'm not sure what's meant by the "got away with" part. It's hard to call it "getting away with", when it's the standard operating procedure of the agency. What is it exactly that they don't get away with? With people being routinely killed worldwide. When I saw a little old lady, literally in a doily hat, in the B…

There are individuals in the parties who are interested though. Not everyone is a sycophant willing to do whatever their party leaders say, fearing the president's call to be primaried or something. It will take people with strong reputations to do it though.

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Besides the Church Committee testimony, is there any evidence for the heart attack gun existing? There's part of me that wonders if they made it up for the purpose of disclosing it to Congress, to make themselves seem like they were authentically participating in the overview and accountability proceedings. Kind of like the way murder suspects in police interrogations might give unprompted and quite possibly fake con…

There's a zillion ways to kill people in slow ways. Put poison that is slow acting in restaurant food - that's harder than just a single shot with some gun. Cancer causing substances in their house water that you later remove the source of (let's not figure millions of people have unsafe drinking water just on the ordinary day in the us).

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The information in the article is shocking and disturbing, and largely known to most informed people. So I'm not sure what's meant by the "got away with" part. It's hard to call it "getting away with", when it's the standard operating procedure of the agency. What is it exactly that they don't get away with? With people being routinely killed worldwide. When I saw a little old lady, literally in a doily hat, in the B…

> So I'm not sure what's meant by the "got away with" part.

The agency still exists, in the exact same form, with no additional oversight. Did you think it just meant remaining obscured from the public? Shouldn't someone have gone to jail for this?

> Recreating the Church commission today wouldn't be just difficult, it is completely impossible.

The CIA has literally taken "ex-employees" and run them into the House and the Senate. It's far worse than you imagine. They "got away" with it and they continue to "get away" with it.

Schlesinger was right. The CIA needs to be divided into two separate firms. One responsible for research which reports directly to the civilian administration and the other responsible for operations which reports directly to the military administration.

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