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Is Germany on the brink of banning ad blockers?

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Re: Is Germany on the brink of banning ad blockers?

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Under a strict reading of copyright law, this actually makes sense. The problem is that the fundamental concept of IP is nonsensical and insane. When applied rationally, it will of course result in wacky results like this.

How does it make sense? If I buy a book I'm entitled to rip out pages and black marker words. What's the difference to removing text or images of my choice while viewing a website?

Re: Is Germany on the brink of banning ad blockers?

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Who could possibly be in favor of this? Like sure industry lobbying is strong but could any politician really argue they're acting in the interest of their constituents with this?

There is no politician that does. It's about the interpretation of existing copyright law.

Re: Is Germany on the brink of banning ad blockers?

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Under a strict reading of copyright law, this actually makes sense. The problem is that the fundamental concept of IP is nonsensical and insane. When applied rationally, it will of course result in wacky results like this.

Applying this "strict reading" would that mean the majority of chrome extensions are violating copyright. They would not be allowed to modify the DOM to translate web pages, to add price history, check for coupons, etc. as they all modify the original creator's "program"?

Re: Is Germany on the brink of banning ad blockers?

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... how would it be enforced?

The same way laws against online piracy are enforced: attack the infrastructure. AdBlock Plus is being attacked right now. If distributing this software is made illegal, all blockers will vanish from the addon stores, and only very tech savvy users will have palatable Internet.

Your comment just made me realize how easy it would actually be for a court to implement such a ban these days: They could simply require Apple to not ship a content blocking API anymore in their jurisdiction. Thanks to Apple's ban of third-party browsers, that would be enough.

On Android, the situation is slightly better, since browsers can be sideloaded, but ad blockers would quickly become a niche phenomenon.

Re: Is Germany on the brink of banning ad blockers?

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Who could possibly be in favor of this? Like sure industry lobbying is strong but could any politician really argue they're acting in the interest of their constituents with this?

European countries have been pretty consistent that they want to protect their publishers, no matter the downstream consequences. Banning ad blockers wouldn't be very different from e.g. forcing Google to pay link taxes, it's just directed at end users instead of Google. So I'd say a lot of people who want to protect European publishers are probably in favor of this.

Re: Is Germany on the brink of banning ad blockers?

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If the user is legally obligated to allow the ad on their device then the site owner must be legally accountable for what the ad does, for example if it's malware. No passing this on to the ad-network. Their code, their copyright, their malware distribution.

Surprised to see this downvoted; I hadn’t even thought of it but it actually seems like an eminently reasonable take. The only logical conclusion, even. How could you argue otherwise?

Would love to hear a down voter’s dissent because I’m not seeing it.

Re: Is Germany on the brink of banning ad blockers?

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Under a strict reading of copyright law, this actually makes sense. The problem is that the fundamental concept of IP is nonsensical and insane. When applied rationally, it will of course result in wacky results like this.

If I am given a free magazine with ads in it, I can rip out the ads and just read the articles, or sharpie my own writing in the pages. What makes a website different?

Re: Is Germany on the brink of banning ad blockers?

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Who could possibly be in favor of this? Like sure industry lobbying is strong but could any politician really argue they're acting in the interest of their constituents with this?

It’s in the interest of the media which is what allows those politicians to stay in power.

Re: Is Germany on the brink of banning ad blockers?

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post #11
post #2

Under a strict reading of copyright law, this actually makes sense. The problem is that the fundamental concept of IP is nonsensical and insane. When applied rationally, it will of course result in wacky results like this.

How does it make sense? If I buy a book I'm entitled to rip out pages and black marker words. What's the difference to removing text or images of my choice while viewing a website?

Depends on what the license says in the first page of the book. It may actually disallow you ripping out pages. You don't own the book, you merely paid for a limited license to read it per the instructions provided in the license agreement. Anything else would be immoral.
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