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Should we remove XSLT from the web platform?

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Re: Should we remove XSLT from the web platform?

#41

How is the answer to any question "Should we remove X from the web platform?" where X wasn't introduced in the last week an has actual users not a resounding "No, WTF is wrong with you.".

Because not everything should be kept in browsers for all eternity? Thankfully it isn't like that and things do get removed.

Re: Should we remove XSLT from the web platform?

#42
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The quality of the github comments: accusing developers of being dictators, being overly emotionally, the hate towards people who actually made the web happen (Smaug, Anne, Emilo, etc…), the "why not just…" or "hire more people" remarks... For a browser developer, this is depressing. I've worked on Gecko for 10+ years, and we were constantly called names for absolutely any change we would do. Insulted and accused of…

Personally I've found googles responses to be very rude; they've asked for feedback and people have come back saying "We're still using this, please don't just remove it" and despite that they seem to be completely uncompromising on removing it without any adjustments like shipping the wasm polyfill instead of native code. It kind of baffles me that they could even consider this, maybe I'm just naiive but the webs gr…

Hiding any negative comment is especially childish.

Re: Should we remove XSLT from the web platform?

#43

How is the answer to any question "Should we remove X from the web platform?" where X wasn't introduced in the last week an has actual users not a resounding "No, WTF is wrong with you.".

Easy. Just use the GNOME argument: round a small enough minority down to "nobody" and then confidently claim "nobody actually uses that, and we don't want to maintain it, so we're removing it."

Re: Should we remove XSLT from the web platform?

#44

How is the answer to any question "Should we remove X from the web platform?" where X wasn't introduced in the last week an has actual users not a resounding "No, WTF is wrong with you.".

Because not everything should be kept in browsers for all eternity? Thankfully it isn't like that and things do get removed.

They absolutely should and this should be considered when adding new features. That's called having a stable platform that others can build upon.

Re: Should we remove XSLT from the web platform?

#46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because not everything should be kept in browsers for all eternity? Thankfully it isn't like that and things do get removed.

They absolutely should and this should be considered when adding new features. That's called having a stable platform that others can build upon.

I think you don't know how much has already been removed and we're absolutely fine without those features.

Re: Should we remove XSLT from the web platform?

#48
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> However, it’s important to be kind to other humans and to treat humans with respect. Very true. But why is that argument never deployed against the bullies? Chrome's developers say "We want to do X". People say "No, please don't." Chrome says "I'm not going to respect your wishes." Where's the equality in that? > Now it can be difficult to voice opposition without coming off as rude but its definitely an important…

> Where's the equality in that? How would you expect equality in an arrangement where you have a few hundred to a few thousand very specific kind of people producing something for billions ? They are in a special position. Every time you depend on someone to do something for you you cannot perform yourself, either due to a time or any other constraint, that is no longer an equal relationship, and it cannot be. You ca…

> They are in a special position.

And that position should not be that of a dictator.

Re: Should we remove XSLT from the web platform?

#49
This could be debatable if browsers had any UI at all to display XML. It's incomprehensible that if you open the open web solution for subscribing to web content (RSS) you're greeted with a wall of unformatted text. Right now, XSLT is the poor fix to that browser's basic inability.

Re: Should we remove XSLT from the web platform?

#50

This could be debatable if browsers had any UI at all to display XML. It's incomprehensible that if you open the open web solution for subscribing to web content (RSS) you're greeted with a wall of unformatted text. Right now, XSLT is the poor fix to that browser's basic inability.

Firefox at least did have a sensible default style sheet for RSS at some point.
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