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Obligatory xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1172/
I love XKCD, but this particular strip has been used to justify all sorts of arbitrary and negative decisions. XSLT support is not a bug.
It’s always about balance. I think I read, somewhere, that Microsoft actually reintroduced bugs into their OS, because so many people depended on workarounds and the buggy behavior.
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It’s ok to have emotions, even as an adult, we all have feelings. However, it’s important to be kind to other humans and to treat humans with respect. Even on the internet, even when people are proposing removing features from a browser. Now it can be difficult to voice opposition without coming off as rude but its definitely an important skill for a professional to have. I think this is especially true on GitHub whe…
> However, it’s important to be kind to other humans and to treat humans with respect. Very true. But why is that argument never deployed against the bullies? Chrome's developers say "We want to do X". People say "No, please don't." Chrome says "I'm not going to respect your wishes." Where's the equality in that? > Now it can be difficult to voice opposition without coming off as rude but its definitely an important…
How would you expect equality in an arrangement where you have a few hundred to a few thousand very specific kind of people producing something for billions?
They are in a special position. Every time you depend on someone to do something for you you cannot perform yourself, either due to a time or any other constraint, that is no longer an equal relationship, and it cannot be. You can make it codependent at best, which is not the same, and doesn't apply here.
All the licensing and open collaboration theatrics are just that, "words on a piece of paper" and things that can go away. I feel people really misjudge the "power" they "gain" from "open" and "transparent" processes like this.
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It’s ok to have emotions, even as an adult, we all have feelings. However, it’s important to be kind to other humans and to treat humans with respect. Even on the internet, even when people are proposing removing features from a browser. Now it can be difficult to voice opposition without coming off as rude but its definitely an important skill for a professional to have. I think this is especially true on GitHub whe…
> However, it’s important to be kind to other humans and to treat humans with respect. Very true. But why is that argument never deployed against the bullies? Chrome's developers say "We want to do X". People say "No, please don't." Chrome says "I'm not going to respect your wishes." Where's the equality in that? > Now it can be difficult to voice opposition without coming off as rude but its definitely an important…
Unfortunately part of being an adult is realizing there are no bullies. There are adults with power and some people who wield unfairly, but that’s different from a mean schoolchild, although the similarities are there. I don’t think the people who work on browser standards are bullies and it’s weird to frame them in that way.
> Where's the equality in that?
I guess why do you think there should be equality between users and the people that work on browser standards? It’s a committee not a direct democracy. Although they do take user feedback seriously, they surely can’t only do what every vocal minorities wants right?
> Again, why isn't anyone calling for them to be more calm and respectful of the people they're hurting?
They’re not be disrespectful by moderating the thread. They’re simply trying to do their jobs without being insulted constantly. It’s a bit different. They are actively responding respectfully to the feedback, I don’t think they’re hurting people.
> But given that they know these proposals would be contentious, why didn't they approach this in a more respectful and collaborative manner?
How could it be more collaborative? It’s already a request for feedback on an open forum. The comments aren’t even deleted just hidden because they’re duplicates. I’m curious what could be more collaborative?
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It’s ok to have emotions, even as an adult, we all have feelings. However, it’s important to be kind to other humans and to treat humans with respect. Even on the internet, even when people are proposing removing features from a browser. Now it can be difficult to voice opposition without coming off as rude but its definitely an important skill for a professional to have. I think this is especially true on GitHub whe…
> However, it’s important to be kind to other humans and to treat humans with respect. Very true. But why is that argument never deployed against the bullies? Chrome's developers say "We want to do X". People say "No, please don't." Chrome says "I'm not going to respect your wishes." Where's the equality in that? > Now it can be difficult to voice opposition without coming off as rude but its definitely an important…
Absolutely not what's happening in that thread. Complete nonsense. It's a discussion/proposal.
The bullies are the people coming in and commenting with a bunch of rants, personal abuse, etc. Not the ones wanting to have a technical discussion (either pro or against removal). This is classic "reversing victim and offender" abuser/bully stuff.
It's disheartening that this Chrome dev in the comments shows himself to be completely unaware of the RSS ecosystem...
Now to think of it, I'd like to see one useful example of its usage. Haven't seen one in a long long time.
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Why shouldn't people be overly emotional? Humans are emotional - and that's a good thing. This change would make people sad because things they like would stop working. It would cause them stress because they would have to work hard to fix or replace things. It would cause them anger because some unaccountable people would be making decisions without considering them. It would make them afraid that those same people…
> Why shouldn't people be overly emotional? By definition overly emotional is bad – that’s what separates “overly emotional” from just “emotional”. Regardless, having emotions is not the problem, lashing out at others because of those emotions is the problem. > These are all valid and useful emotional responses. Telling someone "if you do this it will make me sad" should be useful feedback. The person you are respond…
Human reactions are by definition not bad. They are a genuine expression of how we feel. We use that to signal our emotional state to others.
Try an experiment for me. Tell your partner that you want to split up. Once they finish crying, tell them that they're being "overly" emotional. See how that goes for you.
> Why are you misrepresenting this as “it will make me sad”?
Your mental model of the world has to include that other people have emotions, right? When you announce a change, you know that some people are going to be upset by it. That means you need to craft your message to account for other people's reactions.
Much like the above experiment, email your mother and tell her that you've decided that calling her every week is too much of a hassle and you're not going to do it any more. What do you think her reaction would be?
Perhaps you have a genuine reason for doing so. How would you best communicate that with her? What mitigation strategies would you use? What would you be prepared to compromise on?
Gatekeepers are usually terrible at accounting for the emotions of others. This is a repeated pattern and, by now, shouldn't be surprising to them.
The quality of the github comments: accusing developers of being dictators, being overly emotionally, the hate towards people who actually made the web happen (Smaug, Anne, Emilo, etc…), the "why not just…" or "hire more people" remarks... For a browser developer, this is depressing. I've worked on Gecko for 10+ years, and we were constantly called names for absolutely any change we would do. Insulted and accused of…
Users don't like when you take functionality away from them. This is an appropriate response to a proposal to break part of the web just to make things a bit easier for browser developers (who are meanwhile adding a gazillion other things that are much more complex and actively hurt the users interests).