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Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Post by HKH2 »

sReinwald wrote: post #530
HKH2 wrote: post #466

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> pseudo-intellectual More name-calling. You still haven't addressed my initial question yet. I'll rephrase it again for you: How do you enforce norms without a dominant culture? Do we even need norms at all?

You're asking about norm enforcement failure, but the story shows norms working fine: expectation communicated, pushback received, de-escalation chosen, situation resolved peacefully, albeit not to the satisfaction of the commenter. The system worked. The fact that the teenager got defensive is indicative of his understanding of societal expectations and norms. Bending and pushing against norms is what teenagers do,…

All that and no answer? Thanks for trying, I guess.

Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Post by CalRobert »

theptip wrote: post #550
CalRobert wrote: post #537

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The EU and US are roughly equivalent in size. I’m not sure it’s fair to say that doesn’t count. It’s (nominally) a union of states after all

There is far more cultural diversity between the EU countries than states in the US - it’s not close.

Agreed, but in terms of moving around a similar land mass, an even bigger economy, integrated currency, etc the comparison seems reasonable. If anything the US has more freedom in that sense, at least on paper. I don’t need to register with the gemeente when I move interstate. (Though I’d likely need a new drivers licence)

Also, for better or for worse it helps that almost everyone speaks English everywhere.

Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Post by FredPret »

lowkey_ wrote: post #541
Stevvo wrote: post #528

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Internal movement doesn't count. Only a real hell-hole like North Korea will prevent you moving around in your own country.

The US economy is about 1.5 times larger than the entire EU. The US is over 2 times larger by land. Population is about a quarter smaller. Still, Massachusetts has more people than Denmark, New York has the same as Romania, California has more people than Poland. Our original founding documents cite "these united states", interestingly and very tellingly "these", not "the." States are their own entities, and you'd fi…

I agree with your points. It's ridiculous to suggest Americans don't have freedom of movement. The US economy is actually roughly double that of the EU.

But European countries are much more different from one another than the States are. I think it's actually quite a challenge to doing business there - growing into another country means you have to appeal to a very different culture, deal with different laws, speak a different language.

The US states have their differences but there's a reason they're part of the same nation.

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Post by datameta »

falleng0d wrote: post #391
Yokolos wrote: post #355

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Anything coming out of a US government institution today is not trustworthy. Not sure why you'd reference the 2025 report. It's a laugh and a half that the country deploying the national guard in their own capital and putting the capital's police under federal government control is saying Germany is unsafe. The country that's rounding up immigrants and even US citizens to be deported to random countries. Please. Stop…

Both things can be true at the same time, is not laughable at all. Germany can be unsafe and US too to the extent they need national guard to get back control

We don't need national guard in the capitol deployed. Completely fabricated claim that crime is out of control. Absolutely a move to gain power and create internal enemies to fight while a certain list of clients is being much discussed.

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Post by Someone »

a5c11 wrote: post #390
arresin wrote: post #328

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God help you if you walk out of a store with a butter knife and forget your receipt.

Sounds funny, unless you are young looking and went to a store without ID to buy a pair of scissors. Happened to me, but I've managed to convince the staff that I'm old enough to cut the letters from a newspaper.

> but I've managed to convince the staff that I'm old enough to cut the letters from a newspaper.

So that you can write ransom notes? They should have locked you up.

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Post by forgotoldacc »

VHRanger wrote: post #491
forgotoldacc wrote: post #458

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In some ways, it's far exceeded China. China is strict with people rioting or complaining a little too much about the government, but they don't lock people up for saying general no no words or being too patriotic/nationalistic online. And apparently Chinese courts even limited facial recognition (no clue how it'll work in practice though). [1] [1] https://www.reuters.com/technology/china-says-facial-recogni...

> China is strict with people rioting or complaining a little too much about the government, but they don't lock people up for saying general no no words or being too patriotic/nationalistic online. How absurd is this statement. China jails and disappears people for online statements at a rate several orders of magnitude larger than any western country. It's borderline ridiculous to even make a comparison. Some quick…

Picking quarrels is a crime in the UK too and people get sentenced for it. [1] The only difference is people will say "actually that's good" when the UK does it, but it's for some reason bad when China does the same exact stuff. According to the UK gov, they're arresting 30 people a day for it. [2] That's nearly 8000 people a year for what they say online.

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr548zdmz3jo.amp

[2] https://hansard.parliament.uk/lords/2025-07-17/debates/F807C...

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Post by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK »

kombine wrote: post #336
somenameforme wrote: post #308

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The first time I taught, it was a rather interesting experience realizing how little capacity teachers actually have to deal with e.g. a disruptive student. Yeah you can pass them along to the disciplinarian or whatever, but in the end it's often empty threats - especially if the parents themselves don't particularly care, which in the case of highly disruptive students is nearly always the case. But if a class itsel…

I was taking an intercity coach to Glasgow recently and a teenage kid was on his phone browsing social media without headphones. I made a comment that he should use headphones or turn the volume off. He got defensive and angry. I did not to escalate, and put my earplugs on. I do believe certain parcels of the society need to be restrained.

Older persons are more often guilty of making noise with their phones, like talking loudly, having an obnoxious ringtone or watching a movie in full volume.

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Post by sReinwald »

HKH2 wrote: post #551
sReinwald wrote: post #530

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You're asking about norm enforcement failure, but the story shows norms working fine: expectation communicated, pushback received, de-escalation chosen, situation resolved peacefully, albeit not to the satisfaction of the commenter. The system worked. The fact that the teenager got defensive is indicative of his understanding of societal expectations and norms. Bending and pushing against norms is what teenagers do,…

All that and no answer? Thanks for trying, I guess.

That's a firm 'no' on explaining your original non sequitur then? I told you I'm happy to dive into theories, philosophy, and other theoretical scenarios once you've answered that simple question.

But you're welcome, I guess. At least one of us did.

Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Post by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK »

deadbabe wrote: post #259

I’ve always wanted to visit the UK but it really sounds like a shithole now where you will be treated as guilty just for existing in public and your every move will be monitored at all times.

And now they have this new visa thing for US visitors, pretty intrusive, won't fill it. I know the US started that sh*t, the world is enshittificating quickly.

Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Post by HKH2 »

sReinwald wrote: post #558
HKH2 wrote: post #551

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All that and no answer? Thanks for trying, I guess.

That's a firm 'no' on explaining your original non sequitur then? I told you I'm happy to dive into theories, philosophy, and other theoretical scenarios once you've answered that simple question. But you're welcome, I guess. At least one of us did.

Happy to hear an answer if you've got one.
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