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Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Post by crinkly »

dragonwriter wrote: post #337
crinkly wrote: post #335

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It's representative democracy so we can choose which party who will misrepresent us. Then choose another one which will misrepresent us. It's about time that idea was crushed and we moved to voting on policies rather than parties and personalities. There isn't a one size fits all party.

But we know from comparative study of representative democracy that it does work, and it doesn't have to be "misrepresenting", and the reason certain representative democracies do a bad job of representation boils down to features o their electoral structures that produce results that are both poorly representative in the immediate term, and which also narrow the space of ideas and debate in the longer term. > There…

It worked until the people who manipulated elections worked out how to manipulate elections and started forming parties. Breaking it down to policy level makes it far harder to manipulate an election.

A good example is the UK Labour party. People want the social side of their policies but not the surveillance. They could have voted for the social policies and against the surveillance. But no we have to eat the surveillance if we want the social policies.

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Post by theodric »

arethuza wrote: post #367
kombine wrote: post #336

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I was taking an intercity coach to Glasgow recently and a teenage kid was on his phone browsing social media without headphones. I made a comment that he should use headphones or turn the volume off. He got defensive and angry. I did not to escalate, and put my earplugs on. I do believe certain parcels of the society need to be restrained.

I have a far bigger problem with adults having calls in public places with their phones on speaker... should they be "restrained" as well?

Yes, if you want to live in a decent society that respects the personal space and rights of others, and not a zoo

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Post by xg15 »

elcritch wrote: post #363
protocolture wrote: post #296

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>Even by your own logic, after all, Israeli Jews are just exercising their “right of return” no? No. There are surviving people with a clear right to return they were removed from. Its those people that Israel seeks to outlive by holding them in Gaza. Its happening now. That's not equivalent to some loose claim from a long time ago. >That would not work. You see what Hamas is willing and was able to do on Oct 7th. If…

> No. There are surviving people with a clear right to return they were removed from. There’s very few Palestinians in Gaza alive from that time. Even then, while they may have a desire to return home it’s not something any other people in similar conflicts have gotten. Just as the equivalent numbers of Sephardic Jews who had their properties and homes stolen in Arab nations aren’t going to get them back or get a rig…

> There’s very few Palestinians in Gaza alive from that time.

Ok and then who are those people that are living in Gaza and the West Bank right now? To which country do they belong?

> Even then, while they may have a desire to return home it’s not something any other people in similar conflicts have gotten.

I notice this kind of double-sided argument in lots of discussions. Human rights, Post-WWII world order when Israel is in the defensive, but "Everyone is doing it" and a weird fallback into 19th century "Great Game" morals when Israel is on the offensive.

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Post by pydry »

SequoiaHope wrote: post #354
Shank wrote: post #22

The UK is quickly deploying surveillance state technology that people once decried China for. Whether or not this is ethical or useful, I wish the hypocrisy would be acknowledged. The OSA, the Apple encryption demands, LFR, …, it’s clearly a trend. Has society really become this dangerous that we must deploy these things?

> Has society really become this dangerous that we must deploy these things? No but the people have become so alienated and afraid as to demand it anyway.

There is barely any demand for this from the public and a fair bit of pushback. This is something the government is just trying to ram through regardless.

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

zosima wrote: post #409
fao_ wrote: post #210

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It's almost like huge organizations built off the backs of many different parties working in tandem, will at times have contradictory aims.

In that case it would be nice to see any effort from EU against government surveillance. Sure GDPR and what not, but they're full of loopholes for allowing government to do what private parties are not.

EU is trying to implemement chat control... again. That's their effort.

https://stopchatcontrol.eu/

It would be nice if we removed the security guards for politicans, and if they're not doing bad stuff, they have nothing to fear.

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Post by foldr »

lambdas wrote: post #193
orra wrote: post #115

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> Must be a truly dangerous place... I don't know if you're awaee, but the number of arrests for terrorism has skyrocketed in recent months, in the UK. Sounds terrifying, until you realise people were arrested as terrorists for holding placards. (That fact is of course terrifying, but in a chilling way).

I hope I’m not adding 2 + 2 to get 5, but it’s incredibly convenient that a lot of people are being charged for supporting a proscribed group the same month as the online safety act is rolled out… The cynic in me almost wonders if when it comes to re-election time, these increased numbers in terrorist charges will be trotted out and the context conveniently forgotten.

Terrorism hasn’t historically been an election issue in the UK, so this seems enormously unlikely.

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Post by petre »

zosima wrote: post #409
fao_ wrote: post #210

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It's almost like huge organizations built off the backs of many different parties working in tandem, will at times have contradictory aims.

In that case it would be nice to see any effort from EU against government surveillance. Sure GDPR and what not, but they're full of loopholes for allowing government to do what private parties are not.

Certain EU citizens remeber the Stasi & friends. That's why Chat Control should be associated with the Stasi by anyone opposing it.
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