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Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Post by falleng0d »

Yokolos wrote: post #355
_the_inflator wrote: post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it is more like UK is now the new surveillance supermarket for EU: implementing what “works” for UK - trusted and applied technology. And also the excuse included: “not China”, but even this doesn’t come as cause for concern anymore. Have a look at the latest US “country report on human rights practices 2025”. Germany is flagged as unsafe so to say. It is as you can only hope that the NSA has some way to spy on y…

Anything coming out of a US government institution today is not trustworthy. Not sure why you'd reference the 2025 report. It's a laugh and a half that the country deploying the national guard in their own capital and putting the capital's police under federal government control is saying Germany is unsafe. The country that's rounding up immigrants and even US citizens to be deported to random countries. Please. Stop…

Both things can be true at the same time, is not laughable at all.

Germany can be unsafe and US too to the extent they need national guard to get back control

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Post by demarq »

Shank wrote: post #22

The UK is quickly deploying surveillance state technology that people once decried China for. Whether or not this is ethical or useful, I wish the hypocrisy would be acknowledged. The OSA, the Apple encryption demands, LFR, …, it’s clearly a trend. Has society really become this dangerous that we must deploy these things?

Racism/ Sinophobia makes people think that there’s a Chinese surveillance and a western surveillance when in fact there is just surveillance.

The media was the main culprit. When an article comes out they would use words that make one surveillance sound dystopian and the other sound vigilant.

The end result is that surveillance in the west has been scoring small wins under the radar and what’s happening in the UK is the “breaking stealth” of a surveillance state.

Had people just seen surveillance as surveillance none of this would have happened.

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Post by ra »

bko wrote: post #250
Shank wrote: post #22

The UK is quickly deploying surveillance state technology that people once decried China for. Whether or not this is ethical or useful, I wish the hypocrisy would be acknowledged. The OSA, the Apple encryption demands, LFR, …, it’s clearly a trend. Has society really become this dangerous that we must deploy these things?

> Has society really become this dangerous that we must deploy these things? From the article: > Under the plans, 10 live facial recognition (LFR) vans will be used by seven forces across England to help identify "sex offenders or people wanted for the most serious crimes", according to Home Secretary Yvette Cooper. I guess it depends on how dangerous these criminals are. If there was someone offing kids randomly in…

once they have them, over time they will justify widening their use - just a little bit each time.

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Post by budududuroiu »

subscribed wrote: post #372
budududuroiu wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation.” I’ll let you figure out who’s quote that is

This is a manufactured, made up "quote". There's no such passage in the book you claim it comes from.

Good to know

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Post by dandanua »

somenameforme wrote: post #308
Shank wrote: post #22

The UK is quickly deploying surveillance state technology that people once decried China for. Whether or not this is ethical or useful, I wish the hypocrisy would be acknowledged. The OSA, the Apple encryption demands, LFR, …, it’s clearly a trend. Has society really become this dangerous that we must deploy these things?

The first time I taught, it was a rather interesting experience realizing how little capacity teachers actually have to deal with e.g. a disruptive student. Yeah you can pass them along to the disciplinarian or whatever, but in the end it's often empty threats - especially if the parents themselves don't particularly care, which in the case of highly disruptive students is nearly always the case. But if a class itsel…

You're shifting the blame from politicians to society because in your field teachers have lost power over students. It is a huge mistake to make such a parallel. In fact, teachers have lost power because the power has become much more centralized - thanks to the politicians. You're not allowed to punish a disruptive student singlehandedly - the government took that from you and gave it to people who don't really care. The government itself can't care less. The mass hypersurveillance is not designed to solve your problems, sorry, it solves problems of people with control buttons.

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Post by ManBeardPc »

Shank wrote: post #22

The UK is quickly deploying surveillance state technology that people once decried China for. Whether or not this is ethical or useful, I wish the hypocrisy would be acknowledged. The OSA, the Apple encryption demands, LFR, …, it’s clearly a trend. Has society really become this dangerous that we must deploy these things?

No it hasn’t become so dangerous and surveillance doesn’t help. Neither cameras nor real-name accounts actually helped to prevent crimes. Same with databases, lists or other surveillance tools. Many criminals who committed terrorism were known to the police before and they chose not to act or processes were not in place. All it does is lead to less freedom and security. The government itself is the security threat. There are always black sheep working there. They sell private details, enforce their own agenda or fail to secure sensitive information. Also extreme political parties can and did/will use it to silence undesired persons. Ask anyone who knows a bit of German history for many good examples.

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Post by scoot »

SlowTao wrote: post #353
buyucu wrote: post #338

Either the England is a shithole overrun with crime, or English elites are paranoid. Locals can tell me which one it is.

It has been said that England is a 3rd world country attached to London. That kind of dilemma will come out in odd ways like this.

Said by someone who hasn't been to the less affluent parts of London, I suspect.

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Post by sharperguy »

Shank wrote: post #22

The UK is quickly deploying surveillance state technology that people once decried China for. Whether or not this is ethical or useful, I wish the hypocrisy would be acknowledged. The OSA, the Apple encryption demands, LFR, …, it’s clearly a trend. Has society really become this dangerous that we must deploy these things?

If you oppose it then the right will say you support criminals and illegal immigrants and the left will say you harbor racist desires to express hatred under the guise of free speech and privacy.

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Post by rs186 »

fennecfoxy wrote: post #55
Shank wrote: post #22

The UK is quickly deploying surveillance state technology that people once decried China for. Whether or not this is ethical or useful, I wish the hypocrisy would be acknowledged. The OSA, the Apple encryption demands, LFR, …, it’s clearly a trend. Has society really become this dangerous that we must deploy these things?

Suppose it depends on what it's used for. We could trust the government to be good, but governments are made from people, elected by people. And people are often shitbags to each other. For all the CCTV in London I've been mugged twice and nothing was captured on CCTV nor were the police all that interested in doing anything about it. As an outsider living here I think the UK has huge social problems that are neglect…

That's exactly China's line. They say it helps catch criminals. And to their credit, it does, but at the expense of dissidents and activists.

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Post by HKH2 »

sReinwald wrote: post #361
HKH2 wrote: post #342

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Interesting leap you made there. How can you do effective conflict resolution in a society where someone reads an anecdote about a rude teenager and immediately assumes the problem is multiculturalism?

Culture and race are not the same thing.

Rephrased for you: If there is no dominant culture, how do you resolve conflicts like that?

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