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Study: Social media probably can't be fixed

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Re: Study: Social media probably can't be fixed

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Social media as a vessel for diverse discussion is a tall order. It’s too public, too tied to context, and ultimately a no-win game. No matter how carefully you present yourself, you’ll end up being the “bad guy” to someone. The moment a discussion touches even lightly on controversy, healthy dialogue becomes nearly impossible. Think of it this way: you’re hosting a party, and an uninvited stranger kicks the door ope…

none of that is the fault of a website. thats been the case for millenia.

Re: Study: Social media probably can't be fixed

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> Strip the platforms of any and all initiative. Make them dumb pipes. Stop pretending that people want to use social media for entertainment and news and celebrities. Stop trying to turn it into interactive TV. Stop forcing content from outside of my network upon me. Make the chronological feed the only option. Congrats, you now have platforms no one will care about, as attention span gets sniped by competitors who…

> you now have platforms no one will care about I would care, and I imagine there are others who would too. I don’t use social media anymore (at all!) because of this. If I could have the chronological feed restored and no intrusion of other content I’d redownload immediately. There must be a market for this.

There's plenty of options, take your pick. The latest one that I've been hearing about is https://retro.app, there are others.

The issue of course is that your friends won't be on it, most of them won't sign up even if you beg them, and most likely none of you will be using the service anymore 6 months from now.

Re: Study: Social media probably can't be fixed

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>Stop trying to turn it into interactive TV. wait are you talking about social media or sites that play videos?

For several years now, they’re mostly one and the same.

for people who dont know what theyre talking about, sure. but pedophiles and addictive videos are 2 completely different things and it would help if you defined which youre referring to

Re: Study: Social media probably can't be fixed

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Personally I really enjoy Mastodon and Bluesky but I am very deliberate at avoiding negative people, I do not follow and often mute or block “diss abled” people who complain about everything or people who think I make their life awful because I am cisgender or who post 10 articles an hour about political outrage. The discover page on Bluesky is algorithmic and respects the “less like this” button and last time I look…

> Bluesky FWIW, I've been consistently posting quality stuff on Bluesky for the last year, and despite having a few hundred followers, I get ZERO engagement. People in the Bluesky subreddit tell me it's not a "post and ghost" platform in that you have to constantly interact with people if you want to earn engagement, but that's too time consuming. In other words, the discovery algorithm(s) on BlueSky sucks.

Maybe it doesn't suck. Others are just better at posting discoverable content than you. (note: "discoverable" =/= "engaging")

If we believe the discoverability algorithms to avoid "engagement" is respected, who would be more discoverable? The person coming in to show off one high quality article every 6 months, or the person doing weekly blogs with some nuggets of information on the same topic?

Maybe your article goes viral, but odds are that the weekly blogger will amass more followers, have more comments, and will build up to a point where they 99% of the time get more buzz on their updates than the one hit wonder.

Re: Study: Social media probably can't be fixed

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The study is based on having LLMs decide to amplify one of the top ten posts on their timeline or share a news headline. LLMs aren’t people, and the authors have not convinced me that they will behave like people in this context. The behavioral options are restricted to posting news headlines, reposting news headlines, or being passive. There’s no option to create original content, and no interventions centered on di…

LLMs aren’t people, and the authors have not convinced me that they will behave like people in this context. This was my initial reaction as well, before reading the interview in full. They admit that there are problems with the approach, but they seem to have designed the simulation in a very thoughtful way. There really doesn't seem to be a better approach, apart from enlisting vast numbers of people instead of usi…

> > There’s no option to create original content...

> While this is true, I'd say the vast majority of users don't create original content either, but still end up shaping the social media environment through the actions that they did model. Again, it's not perfect but I'm more convinced that it might be useful after reading the interview.

Ok, but, this is by design. Other forms of social media, places like Mastodon etc have a far, far higher rate of people creating original content.

Re: Study: Social media probably can't be fixed

#136

Social media as a concept can definitely be fixed. Just stop doing algorithms, period. Strip the platforms of any and all initiative. Make them dumb pipes. Stop pretending that people want to use social media for entertainment and news and celebrities. Stop trying to turn it into interactive TV. Stop forcing content from outside of my network upon me. Make the chronological feed the only option. Social media is meant…

You know the "retweet" feature on Twitter didn't originally exist? Before the feature was implemented, people would just write "RT" followed by the author username, then past in the text of the tweet they wanted to retweet.

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A lot of talk goes into how Facebook or other social media use algorithms to encourage engagement, that often includes outrage type content, fake news, rabbit holes and so on. But here's the thing ... people CHOOSE to engage with that, and users even produce that content for social media platforms for free. It's hard to escape that part. I remember trying Bluesky and while I liked it better than Twitter, for me it wa…

> while I liked it better than Twitter, for me it was disappointing that it was just Twitter, but different I feel exactly the same way. I think there needs to be a kind of paradigm shift into something different, probably something that people in general don't have a good schema for right now. Probably something decentralized or federated is necessary in my opinion, something in between email and twitter or reddit?…

Sounds like a return to old school, long term forums. They still exist, but there's a reason Reddit and Twitter took over the "forum space". They toom the core ideas and injected it with "engagement". In this case, with the voting system of reddit, and the follower system of Twitter. Gamefying the act of interacting with peope had effects beyond anyone's comprehension in 2007

Re: Study: Social media probably can't be fixed

#138

Social media as a concept can definitely be fixed. Just stop doing algorithms, period. Strip the platforms of any and all initiative. Make them dumb pipes. Stop pretending that people want to use social media for entertainment and news and celebrities. Stop trying to turn it into interactive TV. Stop forcing content from outside of my network upon me. Make the chronological feed the only option. Social media is meant…

> Stop pretending that people want to use social media for entertainment and news and celebrities

People actually want media, social and otherwise, for exactly that.

> Stop forcing content from outside of my network upon me.

There are social media apps and platforms that don't do that. They are persistently less popular. People, by and large, do want passive discovery from outside of their network, just like they do, in aggregate, want entertainment and news and celebrities.

> Make the chronological feed the only option.

Chronological by what? Original post? Most recent edit? Most recent response? Most recent reaction?

Re: Study: Social media probably can't be fixed

#140

Social media as a concept can definitely be fixed. Just stop doing algorithms, period. Strip the platforms of any and all initiative. Make them dumb pipes. Stop pretending that people want to use social media for entertainment and news and celebrities. Stop trying to turn it into interactive TV. Stop forcing content from outside of my network upon me. Make the chronological feed the only option. Social media is meant…

You know the "retweet" feature on Twitter didn't originally exist? Before the feature was implemented, people would just write "RT" followed by the author username, then past in the text of the tweet they wanted to retweet.

There's nothing wrong with reposts that are made knowingly by people you follow. My issue is with current dominant social media platforms all focusing on forcing people to see content from outside of their network that they would've otherwise never seen, because neither them, nor the people they follow, would follow anything like that.
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