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Study: Social media probably can't be fixed

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Re: Study: Social media probably can't be fixed

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Social media as a vessel for diverse discussion is a tall order. It’s too public, too tied to context, and ultimately a no-win game. No matter how carefully you present yourself, you’ll end up being the “bad guy” to someone. The moment a discussion touches even lightly on controversy, healthy dialogue becomes nearly impossible. Think of it this way: you’re hosting a party, and an uninvited stranger kicks the door ope…

I really liked the Circles feature in Google+: you defined groups of friends, and you could make your posts visible to particular groups.

They were not like group chats or subreddits, the circles were just for you, it was just an easy way to determine which of your followers would see one of your posts.

This kind of interaction was common in early Facebook and Twitter too, where only your friends or followers saw what you posted, often just whitelisted ones. It was not all public all the time. Google+ just made that a bit more granular.

I suppose that these dynamics have been overtaken by messaging apps, but it's not really the same thing. It's too direct, too real-time and all messages mixed-in, I like the more async and distributed nature of posts with comments.

Granted, if you really want a diverse discussion and to talk with everyone in the world at once, indeed that's a different problem and probably fundamentally impossible to make non-toxic, people are people.

Re: Study: Social media probably can't be fixed

#122

Social media as a concept can definitely be fixed. Just stop doing algorithms, period. Strip the platforms of any and all initiative. Make them dumb pipes. Stop pretending that people want to use social media for entertainment and news and celebrities. Stop trying to turn it into interactive TV. Stop forcing content from outside of my network upon me. Make the chronological feed the only option. Social media is meant…

>Stop trying to turn it into interactive TV.

wait are you talking about social media or sites that play videos?

Re: Study: Social media probably can't be fixed

#123

Why can't it be fixed? Just remove algorithms and show only subscribed content in chronological order. That's how most of the early platforms worked and it was fine.

why do you treat it like absolute voodoo? its a website that shows you videos, with the same algorithm theyve been using for 20 years. its now only a problem since basically iOS came out and now every single clueless non technical person is on the internet and discovering decade old memes for the first time.

Re: Study: Social media probably can't be fixed

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post #102

Why can't it be fixed? Just remove algorithms and show only subscribed content in chronological order. That's how most of the early platforms worked and it was fine.

I think it really is that simple. Have a discovery channel, recommendations side bar, just stop trying to add "shareholder value" through flawed machine learning attempts. Maintain a useful piece of software, is it too much to ask an earnings-driven corp? Probably.

stop using it then.

Re: Study: Social media probably can't be fixed

#126
ugh this again.

>Can we identify how to improve social media and create online spaces that are actually living up to those early promises of providing a public sphere where we can deliberate and debate politics in a constructive way?

they really pomp up what is effectively a message board (facebook, twitter) or a video website with a comment/message feature (youtube, tiktok) or an instant messenger with groups (whatsapp). NONE OF THIS IS NEW.

Re: Study: Social media probably can't be fixed

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A lot of talk goes into how Facebook or other social media use algorithms to encourage engagement, that often includes outrage type content, fake news, rabbit holes and so on. But here's the thing ... people CHOOSE to engage with that, and users even produce that content for social media platforms for free. It's hard to escape that part. I remember trying Bluesky and while I liked it better than Twitter, for me it wa…

> people CHOOSE to engage with that

In the same was a smoker "chooses" to engage with cigarettes. Let's not underestimate the fact that core human programming is being exploited to enable such behavior. Similar to telling a smoker to "just out the cigsreet down", we can't just suddenly tell people in social media to "stop being angry".

>people on [BlueSky] want to behave the same way they wanted to on Twitter.

Yes. Changing established habits is even harder to address. You can't make a horse drink (I'm sure anyone who ever had to deal with a disengaged captive audience feels this in their souls). Whike it's become many peoples primary "news source", aka the bread, most people came there for the circus.

I don't really have an answer here. Society needs to understand social media addiction the same way they understand sugar addictions; have it slammed in there that it's not healthy and to use sparingly. That's not something you can fix with laws and regulation. Not something you fix in even a decade.

Re: Study: Social media probably can't be fixed

#128

Social media as a concept can definitely be fixed. Just stop doing algorithms, period. Strip the platforms of any and all initiative. Make them dumb pipes. Stop pretending that people want to use social media for entertainment and news and celebrities. Stop trying to turn it into interactive TV. Stop forcing content from outside of my network upon me. Make the chronological feed the only option. Social media is meant…

>Stop trying to turn it into interactive TV. wait are you talking about social media or sites that play videos?

I'm not talking about literal television, but more about something where you don't really get to decide what you see, you go there to get entertained with whatever.

Re: Study: Social media probably can't be fixed

#129

Social media as a concept can definitely be fixed. Just stop doing algorithms, period. Strip the platforms of any and all initiative. Make them dumb pipes. Stop pretending that people want to use social media for entertainment and news and celebrities. Stop trying to turn it into interactive TV. Stop forcing content from outside of my network upon me. Make the chronological feed the only option. Social media is meant…

>Stop trying to turn it into interactive TV. wait are you talking about social media or sites that play videos?

For several years now, they’re mostly one and the same.

Re: Study: Social media probably can't be fixed

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post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Strip the platforms of any and all initiative. Make them dumb pipes. Stop pretending that people want to use social media for entertainment and news and celebrities. Stop trying to turn it into interactive TV. Stop forcing content from outside of my network upon me. Make the chronological feed the only option. Congrats, you now have platforms no one will care about, as attention span gets sniped by competitors who…

What do you mean by "no one"? There is definitely demand for such a platform.

It's a dilemma.

There might be demand, but this "platform A" will be in competition with a dopamine-focused engagement "platform B" which also supports to host updates from "the lives of people you follow".

The majority of people will then have both installed but spend more time on "platform B" as it is actively engaging them.

Platform A will again end up in competition for user-attention with Platform B, as it needs money to operate their business etc.

Now if Platform A asks for a subscription fee to fund their non-engagement social media platform, how many of these users described above will pay and not simply prefer the free "platform B"?

How will such a churn affect users willing to PAY for "Platform A", if people whose "life they want to follow" have completely moved to "Platform B"?

Funny enough, as a European I could use WhatsApp as this "Platform A", as it has features to share status-updates, pictures etc. as part of your profile. Everyone I know has WhatsApp, noone is using those features.

So in essence, this Platform A already exists in Europe but doesn't work as "social media" because people don't engage with it...

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