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Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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We shall have to adopt a new fashion for Australian style cork hats: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cork_hat

You can get UV protection hats that have a clip-able face cover for those times you just want to go outside for a minute without having to slap on sunscreen. Have a few at home just for that, but they could definitely have a dual-use.

Damn could you link me? That’s exactly what I’m after. Or give me the search terms? Thanks.

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The UK is quickly deploying surveillance state technology that people once decried China for. Whether or not this is ethical or useful, I wish the hypocrisy would be acknowledged. The OSA, the Apple encryption demands, LFR, …, it’s clearly a trend. Has society really become this dangerous that we must deploy these things?

> The UK is quickly deploying surveillance state technology that people once decried China for. they always had been or at least tried, for decades by now, the only thing which had been holding them back was the EU frequently being like "no wtf UK, that is against human rights, EU law, etc." > Has society really become this dangerous that we must deploy these things? no, and it also has a long track record of not onl…

No, it is more like UK is now the new surveillance supermarket for EU: implementing what “works” for UK - trusted and applied technology.

And also the excuse included: “not China”, but even this doesn’t come as cause for concern anymore.

Have a look at the latest US “country report on human rights practices 2025”. Germany is flagged as unsafe so to say.

It is as you can only hope that the NSA has some way to spy on your data when EU gets more on more anti privacy and data protection means EU only storage is mandatory.

Dire times. Double standards are in full effect.

Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Isn't UK a democracy? Why then have the people not rejected the initiative? Ah, right - they haven't even been asked.

It's representative democracy so we can choose which party who will misrepresent us. Then choose another one which will misrepresent us.

It's about time that idea was crushed and we moved to voting on policies rather than parties and personalities. There isn't a one size fits all party.

Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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post #22

The UK is quickly deploying surveillance state technology that people once decried China for. Whether or not this is ethical or useful, I wish the hypocrisy would be acknowledged. The OSA, the Apple encryption demands, LFR, …, it’s clearly a trend. Has society really become this dangerous that we must deploy these things?

The first time I taught, it was a rather interesting experience realizing how little capacity teachers actually have to deal with e.g. a disruptive student. Yeah you can pass them along to the disciplinarian or whatever, but in the end it's often empty threats - especially if the parents themselves don't particularly care, which in the case of highly disruptive students is nearly always the case. But if a class itsel…

I was taking an intercity coach to Glasgow recently and a teenage kid was on his phone browsing social media without headphones. I made a comment that he should use headphones or turn the volume off. He got defensive and angry. I did not to escalate, and put my earplugs on.

I do believe certain parcels of the society need to be restrained.

Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Isn't UK a democracy? Why then have the people not rejected the initiative? Ah, right - they haven't even been asked.

It's representative democracy so we can choose which party who will misrepresent us. Then choose another one which will misrepresent us. It's about time that idea was crushed and we moved to voting on policies rather than parties and personalities. There isn't a one size fits all party.

But we know from comparative study of representative democracy that it does work, and it doesn't have to be "misrepresenting", and the reason certain representative democracies do a bad job of representation boils down to features o their electoral structures that produce results that are both poorly representative in the immediate term, and which also narrow the space of ideas and debate in the longer term.

> There isn't a one size fits all party.

Seems to be a non-sequitur, there isn't a one-size fits all policy, either.

Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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post #22

The UK is quickly deploying surveillance state technology that people once decried China for. Whether or not this is ethical or useful, I wish the hypocrisy would be acknowledged. The OSA, the Apple encryption demands, LFR, …, it’s clearly a trend. Has society really become this dangerous that we must deploy these things?

Every accusation from the West towards China is an admission of guilt. It is called projection: accusing others of what you actually are doing.

Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The purpose of the system (the police in this casse) is what it does. Always been that way, always will be. It's just a little harder to bury your head in the sand than it used to be.

The purpose of the system (the police in this casse) is what it does. Nope. That's an ideology, not a statement of fact. It completely negates the possibility that systems can become corrupted (or simply fail) and no longer work towards their original purpose.

Nope. That's an imposition of metaphysics onto what is solely clearly mere empiricism.
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